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Post by the light works on Feb 18, 2014 20:58:01 GMT
Any chance you can remember or find out which stories have such swords? MB usually like to know the source of a myth/story. In this case it would be helpful to know any stories and information about great-swords. the the best of my knowledge, that particular story never got published. it just stuck in my mind as the best example of "you've never actually touched one of those, have you?"
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Post by mrfatso on Feb 19, 2014 10:31:43 GMT
There is the Chakram, as seen in the TV series Xena; Warrior Princess (it is a real weapon apparently, but most viewers probably would not be aware of this). Might be a good companion to the Batarang. I think this has potential, so lets see what other ideas we could come up with. The Chakram has featured in a Discovery program on weapons already, Weaponmasters, with Mick Loades , and is part of the cultural identity of people of the Hindu and Sikh religions. I feel it's a little insulting to call it a fictional weapon, may be not well known but not in the same category as a Chainsword or Batarang.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Feb 19, 2014 14:22:11 GMT
Ok I know this is in the realm of "Yah Right", but what about an EMP gun? other than the challenged of making an EMP, I like it. not sure the nuclear regulatory folks would want them using the traditional EMP generating procedure. Hence my remark bout this falling into the "Yah Right" category.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Feb 19, 2014 14:25:17 GMT
How about making Black Widow's (from The Avengers) gauntlets that fire knock out darts & other such items from them?
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Post by the light works on Feb 19, 2014 14:30:07 GMT
How about making Black Widow's (from The Avengers) gauntlets that fire knock out darts & other such items from them? as in miniaturized weapons? that is a promising angle.
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 19, 2014 14:33:01 GMT
Captain America's shield, or rather using a shield as a throwing weapon, might have potential. This was asked once or twice on Discovery.
Like the idea of wrist mounted dart throwers, and the glove mounted 'stun gun' variant used in the Avengers films. The wrist mounted dart throwers were also in James Bond and Star Wars.
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Post by ironhold on Feb 20, 2014 4:37:01 GMT
How about making Black Widow's (from The Avengers) gauntlets that fire knock out darts & other such items from them? as in miniaturized weapons? that is a promising angle. If we're going that far, the Destro character from the G. I. Joe franchise has rockets that attach to his wrist bands.
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 20, 2014 7:49:39 GMT
as in miniaturized weapons? that is a promising angle. If we're going that far, the Destro character from the G. I. Joe franchise has rockets that attach to his wrist bands. We should probably try and restrict ideas to weapons that seem practical, or at least possible to actually make. (Not that rockets attached to wrist bands don't fall into this group). The wrist-mounted dart gun, or for that matter wrist mounted guns, make fairly frequent appearances in comics. As well as Marvels Black Widow, there was/is also a character known as the Prowler. Plus DC's Deadshot, who I think used wrist mounted guns on the TV series Arrow, and at least one Marvel character a few years back had wrist mounted guns. Wolverines claws might be another type of weapon that could be looked at. Sure, they can't make them from Adamtium let alone implant claws in someone's forearms. But they could test to see if you could really parry a sword with weapons like that.
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Post by the light works on Feb 20, 2014 14:51:16 GMT
If we're going that far, the Destro character from the G. I. Joe franchise has rockets that attach to his wrist bands. We should probably try and restrict ideas to weapons that seem practical, or at least possible to actually make. (Not that rockets attached to wrist bands don't fall into this group). The wrist-mounted dart gun, or for that matter wrist mounted guns, make fairly frequent appearances in comics. As well as Marvels Black Widow, there was/is also a character known as the Prowler. Plus DC's Deadshot, who I think used wrist mounted guns on the TV series Arrow, and at least one Marvel character a few years back had wrist mounted guns. Wolverines claws might be another type of weapon that could be looked at. Sure, they can't make them from Adamtium let alone implant claws in someone's forearms. But they could test to see if you could really parry a sword with weapons like that. I like the wrist rockets - particularly paired with cotton or polyester clothing.
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Post by ironhold on Feb 20, 2014 20:02:58 GMT
This is the original 1983 figure for the Destro character.If you go down to to the "images" section and pull up the shot of his right side, you can clearly see the rockets on his right wrist band. The 2007 version of the figure has him as wearing proper metal gauntlets, and so the team could test the rockets with both regular material and with metal gauntlets for protection. The comic books also depicted him using the rockets while in his 1988 "ceremonial" outfit, which appears to be leather. So that's three materials that could be tested. The rockets themselves, meanwhile, were shown to be quite devastating at times. One issue (I'm trying to remember which one) shows him firing a rocket point-blank into a red-garbed ninja sent to kill him; not only is the ninja killed outright, it's implied that a good chunk of the body is gone.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Feb 22, 2014 17:05:33 GMT
Wolverines claws might be another type of weapon that could be looked at. Sure, they can't make them from Adamtium let alone implant claws in someone's forearms. But they could test to see if you could really parry a sword with weapons like that. Well one way around it is they could always make them like they did Freddy Kruger's claws in the Nightmare series - metal claws attached to leather gloves. or they could make up a ballistic gel dummy hand with the claws 'growing' out of them to test with.
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 15, 2014 8:22:18 GMT
Can I enter the myths around just how much weaponised you can get with Shields?...
Myths around at this time include the central boss being a spike... Some say to deflect sword strikes, Some say to be sharpened to a pint as a thrusting weapon.
Some myths concern pointed shield edges being sharpened.
BTW, Most people I know in historical research would say you would never EVER throw a shield.....
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Post by the light works on Mar 15, 2014 9:50:40 GMT
Can I enter the myths around just how much weaponised you can get with Shields?... Myths around at this time include the central boss being a spike... Some say to deflect sword strikes, Some say to be sharpened to a pint as a thrusting weapon. Some myths concern pointed shield edges being sharpened. BTW, Most people I know in historical research would say you would never EVER throw a shield..... the only reason you would throw a shield is if it was damaged beyond use. as far as weaponizing it - yes, if the opportunity presented, you could bask your opponent in the face with an edge or corner. some later models had a pistol in them. the traditional"heater" style used in much of europe was actually made of a laminated composite.
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Post by Cybermortis on Mar 15, 2014 14:22:28 GMT
Those were shields used by King Henry VIII's body guard. These shield-pistols were heavy and since you couldn't look down the barrel effectively impossible to aim. Of course like shields with a sharpened central spike the intention was probably to only use the 'weapon' part of the shield if you were blocking in such a way that your opponent was at very close range, if not practically pressed against the shield. So they would have been more of an emergency weapon to even the odds in a tough fight, or at least cause enough of a distraction to allow you to disengage or create an opening so you could finish an opponent off with something more effective.
This was the transitional period between the medieval knight and the black powder era. And you see a fair number of pistol/musket hybrids with more traditional melee weapons. These ranged from sword-pistols to musket-warhammers, none of which really proved to be all that effective either as ranged weapons or melee ones. Off the top of my head the only design that stuck around for any length of time was the sword-pistol, which was certainly still around circa 1700.
Given the unreliable nature of early blackpowder weapons, their very low rate of fire and inaccuracy it is hardly surprising that people would try to mix firearms with more proven and reliable weapons. This would occur with the invention of the bayonet, which turns a rifle into a spear. The spear is probably the most successful weapon design in history, since humans have been using them since the dawn of our existence and still do.
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Post by the light works on Mar 15, 2014 14:34:03 GMT
Those were shields used by King Henry VIII's body guard. These shield-pistols were heavy and since you couldn't look down the barrel effectively impossible to aim. Of course like shields with a sharpened central spike the intention was probably to only use the 'weapon' part of the shield if you were blocking in such a way that your opponent was at very close range, if not practically pressed against the shield. So they would have been more of an emergency weapon to even the odds in a tough fight, or at least cause enough of a distraction to allow you to disengage or create an opening so you could finish an opponent off with something more effective. This was the transitional period between the medieval knight and the black powder era. And you see a fair number of pistol/musket hybrids with more traditional melee weapons. These ranged from sword-pistols to musket-warhammers, none of which really proved to be all that effective either as ranged weapons or melee ones. Off the top of my head the only design that stuck around for any length of time was the sword-pistol, which was certainly still around circa 1700. Given the unreliable nature of early blackpowder weapons, their very low rate of fire and inaccuracy it is hardly surprising that people would try to mix firearms with more proven and reliable weapons. This would occur with the invention of the bayonet, which turns a rifle into a spear. The spear is probably the most successful weapon design in history, since humans have been using them since the dawn of our existence and still do. was gonna say - the spear/musket hybrid is still in use today - though it has transitioned from a spear that can fire a bullet to a rifle that can stab people. but yes, the shields were for use at can't-miss range.
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Post by Cybermortis on Mar 15, 2014 15:37:26 GMT
A common mistake when discussing weapons is in failing to understand or consider exactly what role they were intended for and how they were used.
In the case of sword-pistols and similar designs we tend to assume they were intended for ranged fire, since that is what we use modern firearms for - and what muskets were used for.
That they may have been intended to be used as a boost in close quarters combat is overlooked.
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Post by the light works on Mar 15, 2014 16:56:53 GMT
A common mistake when discussing weapons is in failing to understand or consider exactly what role they were intended for and how they were used. In the case of sword-pistols and similar designs we tend to assume they were intended for ranged fire, since that is what we use modern firearms for - and what muskets were used for. That they may have been intended to be used as a boost in close quarters combat is overlooked. that is thanks to modern TV where they show people shooting pistols at rifle distances.
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Post by Cybermortis on Mar 15, 2014 18:28:27 GMT
A common mistake when discussing weapons is in failing to understand or consider exactly what role they were intended for and how they were used. In the case of sword-pistols and similar designs we tend to assume they were intended for ranged fire, since that is what we use modern firearms for - and what muskets were used for. That they may have been intended to be used as a boost in close quarters combat is overlooked. that is thanks to modern TV where they show people shooting pistols at rifle distances. Well, TV shows pistols as the primary weapons in most situations rather than a backup weapon as they were intended. Even police really use pistols as a secondary weapon, since they tend to do their best to avoid having to draw a weapon in the first place. Pistols were always intended to be short ranged, secondary weapons for military personal who had nothing better to fall back on, or in the case of officers and some personal (say tank crews or air crews) not really meant to get involved in combat first hand. The other use is for self-defence in civilian life - which is to say at close range against someone who is unlikely to have a 'better' weapon. Even when swords were common the pistol was very much a secondary weapon. As I said, discussions as to the capabilities and effectiveness of weapons really needs to be considered in the context of what the weapon was intended for. A sub-machine gun is not a weapon you'd want to be using in a long-ranged fire-fight. But it is effective for close quarters fighting, or as a weapon that can be carried easily in a confined space - such as a tank or aircraft. In the latter case a sub-machine gun is (arguably) a 'better' weapon than, say, an M16.
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Post by the light works on Mar 16, 2014 0:59:11 GMT
that is thanks to modern TV where they show people shooting pistols at rifle distances. Well, TV shows pistols as the primary weapons in most situations rather than a backup weapon as they were intended. Even police really use pistols as a secondary weapon, since they tend to do their best to avoid having to draw a weapon in the first place. Pistols were always intended to be short ranged, secondary weapons for military personal who had nothing better to fall back on, or in the case of officers and some personal (say tank crews or air crews) not really meant to get involved in combat first hand. The other use is for self-defence in civilian life - which is to say at close range against someone who is unlikely to have a 'better' weapon. Even when swords were common the pistol was very much a secondary weapon. As I said, discussions as to the capabilities and effectiveness of weapons really needs to be considered in the context of what the weapon was intended for. A sub-machine gun is not a weapon you'd want to be using in a long-ranged fire-fight. But it is effective for close quarters fighting, or as a weapon that can be carried easily in a confined space - such as a tank or aircraft. In the latter case a sub-machine gun is (arguably) a 'better' weapon than, say, an M16. Let the tool fit the job. something our generation seems to have difficulty wrapping their multitasking little brains around.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Mar 16, 2014 11:24:01 GMT
Can I enter the myths around just how much weaponised you can get with Shields?... Myths around at this time include the central boss being a spike... Some say to deflect sword strikes, Some say to be sharpened to a pint as a thrusting weapon. Some myths concern pointed shield edges being sharpened. BTW, Most people I know in historical research would say you would never EVER throw a shield..... the only reason you would throw a shield is if it was damaged beyond use. as far as weaponizing it - yes, if the opportunity presented, you could bask your opponent in the face with an edge or corner. some later models had a pistol in them. the traditional"heater" style used in much of europe was actually made of a laminated composite. Well since we're talking about 'throwing' things around the place, how about the Bat-erang Batman uses.
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