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Post by silverdragon on Mar 5, 2014 7:49:42 GMT
F1 related myth, but any fast race car with very good brakes.
The myth states that you can brake so hard tear drops shoot out of your eyes.
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 5, 2014 7:55:30 GMT
Super car myth.
If you get a really good sports car you can keep up with a Super car. Or Hyper-car...
I saw this tested on 5th Gear, Lambo Aventadore vs Toyota GT86 (Their new sports car built with Subaru, cost 28,000)
Of course the Lambo won.... you pay well over 200,000 for a car like that and get chased by 28 grands worth of tin?...
I say Bogus on that.
You get what you pay for, and having driven (a few years ago) some super-cars on track days, I can say you do get what you pay for, some of them would put shame to an F1 or Indie car.
(Dependant on track...)
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Post by ironhold on Mar 5, 2014 15:27:25 GMT
Super car myth. If you get a really good sports car you can keep up with a Super car. Or Hyper-car... I saw this tested on 5th Gear, Lambo Aventadore vs Toyota GT86 (Their new sports car built with Subaru, cost 28,000) Of course the Lambo won.... you pay well over 200,000 for a car like that and get chased by 28 grands worth of tin?... I say Bogus on that. You get what you pay for, and having driven (a few years ago) some super-cars on track days, I can say you do get what you pay for, some of them would put shame to an F1 or Indie car. (Dependant on track...) It depends greatly upon a large number of variables, such as road conditions, road design, the comparative skill levels of the drivers, the weight of the vehicle, et cetra. For example, my 1990 Buick Skylark can take corners like a custom street racer, and having spent 5+ years as a delivery driver (in addition to several years of driving winding country roads) I have the experience to exploit this. But it's still an aging "family" sedan, and so it was never meant to be a powerhouse; in a race that was straight-up speed and/or power, I'd lose. |
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Post by the light works on Mar 5, 2014 16:05:27 GMT
Super car myth. If you get a really good sports car you can keep up with a Super car. Or Hyper-car... I saw this tested on 5th Gear, Lambo Aventadore vs Toyota GT86 (Their new sports car built with Subaru, cost 28,000) Of course the Lambo won.... you pay well over 200,000 for a car like that and get chased by 28 grands worth of tin?... I say Bogus on that. You get what you pay for, and having driven (a few years ago) some super-cars on track days, I can say you do get what you pay for, some of them would put shame to an F1 or Indie car. (Dependant on track...) there's an old expression regarding that: "It is not what is under the hood that matters, it is what's on top of the throttle." assuming this refers to driving on public roads, rather than race tracks; then the above is true. on one job I worked on I routinely raced to and from work with a co-worker. he drove a brand new Corvette, I drove an Acura Legend (luxury sedan) if we saw each other on the drive to work, then the only thing that would keep us from arriving pretty much at the same time was if one of us got trapped at a light. he could beat me on acceleration; but I could always make it up on willingness to push harder. my fastest drive up the road to home was before I put the service body on my truck. |
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 6, 2014 7:27:08 GMT
In the bit I watched, and I think this is the crux of the matter, the two drivers were of similar abilities.
One was Tiff Nedell, Known ex BTCC race driver (Touring cars) and experienced in many vehicles, the other was a practising stunt driver un-named but of good abilities who knew the vehicle he was driving.
I suggest that Tiff was of course going to be the more experienced, they were proving a point, no so good if a 28 grand vehicle DID keep up with 200 grand vehicle?...
If any tests were to be done, I therefore suggest that two drivers of similar class race vehicles are used.
If you put me in my own vehicle, I would drive rings around you if you were to drive a similar vehicle that you were not familiar with.
Therefore, its got to be that the drivers ARE familiar with the vehicles they are driving, and of a similar experience level.
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Post by the light works on Mar 6, 2014 14:40:38 GMT
In the bit I watched, and I think this is the crux of the matter, the two drivers were of similar abilities. One was Tiff Nedell, Known ex BTCC race driver (Touring cars) and experienced in many vehicles, the other was a practising stunt driver un-named but of good abilities who knew the vehicle he was driving. I suggest that Tiff was of course going to be the more experienced, they were proving a point, no so good if a 28 grand vehicle DID keep up with 200 grand vehicle?... If any tests were to be done, I therefore suggest that two drivers of similar class race vehicles are used. If you put me in my own vehicle, I would drive rings around you if you were to drive a similar vehicle that you were not familiar with. Therefore, its got to be that the drivers ARE familiar with the vehicles they are driving, and of a similar experience level. so if you get the right track and the right driver then a supercar can get away from a more affordable high performance car. I can accept that. |
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 7, 2014 7:17:26 GMT
I would say slightly different, if you get the right track, an affordable high power sports car may just keep up with a super-car, especially if the driver knows what he is doing?...
But in most cases, a super-car is going to leave a sports car in its dust if the drivers are of similar ability.
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Post by the light works on Mar 7, 2014 14:34:30 GMT
I would say slightly different, if you get the right track, an affordable high power sports car may just keep up with a super-car, especially if the driver knows what he is doing?... But in most cases, a super-car is going to leave a sports car in its dust if the drivers are of similar ability. I would say the right track for that is an ordinary road. supercars are essentially limited by the surface they are driven on; in everyday driving. for the final analysis, we just need a close look at the leaderboard on Top Gear. there are a few "ordinary sports cars" dispersed among the slower supercars. |
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 8, 2014 8:46:29 GMT
Hmmm... now, how do I put this, do you believe the "Times" given are beyond editorial control?...
And the stig....
I would like to see the whole board done by drivers who know the car intimately, say the works test driver, the stig, and then someone like me, educated enough to not chuck it into the landing gear of that plane, but not over educated enough to be setting race-time laps...
As in, setting times your average driver could achieve with say only 5 laps practise.
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Post by the light works on Mar 8, 2014 8:49:15 GMT
I presume the boards are at least reasonably objective.
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 8, 2014 8:57:33 GMT
Objective as far as how much you would believe, and true as far as the konnigseggggggegggeggg with-the-top-gear-wing, but, otherwise, they aint going to put a car they dislike at the top are they?...
So therefore, if Jeremy is singing the praises of "Driving this car is like wearing your favourite sweater whilst wrestling a tame lion, you just dont know if it is going to kill you", they you can almost guarantee its time will be just above its nearest "Rivals" in the car market?...
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Post by the light works on Mar 8, 2014 9:07:09 GMT
That is where their tame racing driver comes into play - it is presumed he makes a point of being at least somewhat consistent and unbiased.
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 8, 2014 9:21:19 GMT
The tame racing driver is just that, "Tame", neutered if you will.
He has no voice at all.
For a reason....
He is told to drive the car whilst they film him, I doubt he is even allowed to have any input into the timed lap at all.
We already know creative editing may be used to create the shown scenes from a timed lap...
Someone spotted an editorial error during a Star in the Reasonably Priced car, where they edited together several takes to make one lap.
During the filming the "Star" stuffed the car into the scenery, so they had to swap to the spare car. Same car, same colour, no difference?...
They included footage of BOTH cars for the "Timed lap".... and Some sharp sod noticed the registration numbers...
The show is after all a "Light entertainment" show, comedic if you will, its not supposed to be taken that serious, and the timed laps are all down to the directors mobile phone having the right button pressed as they cross the line?...
Is the stig unbiased?... no.
We already know he is biased.
He refuses to drive any vehicle painted Pink, and interestingly, can not see any vehicle with too much ultraviolet in its paint make-up...
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Post by the light works on Mar 8, 2014 10:12:27 GMT
The tame racing driver is just that, "Tame", neutered if you will. He has no voice at all. For a reason.... He is told to drive the car whilst they film him, I doubt he is even allowed to have any input into the timed lap at all. We already know creative editing may be used to create the shown scenes from a timed lap... Someone spotted an editorial error during a Star in the Reasonably Priced car, where they edited together several takes to make one lap. During the filming the "Star" stuffed the car into the scenery, so they had to swap to the spare car. Same car, same colour, no difference?... They included footage of BOTH cars for the "Timed lap".... and Some sharp sod noticed the registration numbers... The show is after all a "Light entertainment" show, comedic if you will, its not supposed to be taken that serious, and the timed laps are all down to the directors mobile phone having the right button pressed as they cross the line?... Is the stig unbiased?... no. We already know he is biased. He refuses to drive any vehicle painted Pink, and interestingly, can not see any vehicle with too much ultraviolet in its paint make-up... well, even from my short time watching, I know the reasonably priced car lap is actually a best lap of the day. and that they actually do hire a racing driver to do a season or multiple seasons as the Stig. beyond that, I know that most of the crazy things that happen during the challenges are quite likely to be fictitious. however,I have no reason to suspect they tell the stig to sandbag on a car they don't personally like. |
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 10, 2014 7:48:57 GMT
The best lap of the day has now been shortened to best lap of five, as some of the stars were trying to stay out all night getting a better time...
Will they tell the Stig to sandbag?..
I dont think so.
They may however be economical with the truth....
Challenges being "Staged".
In this last weeks challenge, its part one of the "Burma special"
Take three light commercial vehicles, and drive across Burma.
Of course, you start in one city, and then find the narrowest street to drive down....
They then roll out the "Modify your truck". this is part of every "Special" they do, they take working vehicles and modify them in a way that almost renders them useless....
Clarkson the twit takes a perfectly good tipper truck and turns the cab into a convertible.
No Roof, in a country where it rains more than UK.
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Post by the light works on Mar 10, 2014 13:34:37 GMT
The best lap of the day has now been shortened to best lap of five, as some of the stars were trying to stay out all night getting a better time... Will they tell the Stig to sandbag?.. I dont think so. They may however be economical with the truth.... Challenges being "Staged". In this last weeks challenge, its part one of the "Burma special" Take three light commercial vehicles, and drive across Burma. Of course, you start in one city, and then find the narrowest street to drive down.... They then roll out the "Modify your truck". this is part of every "Special" they do, they take working vehicles and modify them in a way that almost renders them useless.... Clarkson the twit takes a perfectly good tipper truck and turns the cab into a convertible. No Roof, in a country where it rains more than UK. I think more of the episode a couple of series back where James May lost control, went over a cliff, had his car burst into flames, and died following a bank heist as an impromptu challenge. the episode where he turns the tipper truck into a convertible has finally aired here - and I disagree on it being perfectly good. but I am reminded of an old anecdote from back when our police drove Caprice Classics. (like the Ford LTD only not quite so aerodynamic) for some reason which I forget, they were pursuing an RX-7 Turbo. once they cleared town, the RX-7 was able to get a sufficient lead to break visual contact with them. then, on one particular corner (similar shape to a chicane, posted 40 MPH, most cars can handle it in good order at 60 MPH) one of the caprices spun out, landing in the inside ditch. after assessing his safety concerns he became aware of yelling from across the road, and went to investigate - the RX-7 had failed to make the transition, and shot directly off the outside of the curve, becoming lodged between two trees, and the driver and passenger were effectively trapped inside the car. |
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