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Post by the light works on Aug 23, 2014 23:47:14 GMT
The shows in question seem to have been tied up in a legal dispute, which is why they were not aired originally. Presumably that has now been settled. Airing them now might have been a good way to extend the Mythbusters season out so the gap between the announcement that the build team were leaving and any announcement about a new show would be much shorter. Off the top of my head I *think* that fall lineups are usually revealed in September. So that would be, what? Two to six weeks from the last show (Probably closer to two or three if I'm right) as opposed to a month or more. Come to think on it, it might also explain why Mythbusters had such a long run over the summer. Rather than episodes being aired in October or November as they were last year. They could have been freeing up slots for the new show... ...And its just occurred to me that spinning the build team off with their own show would allow Discovery to air twice as many 'mythbusterish' episodes as they can now. Adam has mentioned several times that the main reason they introduced the build team was because he and Jamie nearly killed themselves trying to produce 13 episodes for the first season, and even with the build team they have constantly had problems producing anything close to a full seasons worth of 22-24 episodes per year. Spin off the build team with an hour* long show of their own however and assuming a similar episode limit of 13 shows per year that would potentially give Discovery a full 'season' of similar shows without actually having to do increase anyone's workload, and probably without increasing costs either. That makes sense - which could mean you are right or it could mean you are wrong. this IS American TV we are talking about, after all.
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Post by ponytail61 on Aug 24, 2014 4:19:40 GMT
The way Discovery is going it will have to be a show about 3 naked geeks with guns and hot rods in a remote location mining for gold from a repossessed airplane. With the occasional guest appearances by Bigfoot, Yeti, Chupacabra and Nessie.
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Post by the light works on Aug 24, 2014 4:39:59 GMT
The way Discovery is going it will have to be a show about 3 naked geeks with guns and hot rods in a remote location mining for gold from a repossessed airplane. With the occasional guest appearances by Bigfoot, Yeti, Chupacabra and Nessie. to quote Gallagher from the late 80s: "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence... They've got one marked brightness, but it don't work."
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 24, 2014 20:08:05 GMT
The way Discovery is going it will have to be a show about 3 naked geeks with guns and hot rods in a remote location mining for gold from a repossessed airplane. With the occasional guest appearances by Bigfoot, Yeti, Chupacabra and Nessie. They don't call it a "boob tube" for nothing and it's not because there's an excess of breasts on the air (even though we're getting there).
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 25, 2014 11:39:10 GMT
I just hate the way they announced it and no matter the reason why they left, the way it was announced sucks. I feel like tweeting to Adam and telling him that the way the announcement was made about the build team leaving sucks. Exactly......Why bring in a "This will make you cry" announcement and pizza off all the fans if they already know they have something to make us smile?... This is exactly the "Where is the tension" moment I spoke of. We are all now in state of high anxiety awaiting the "Stay Tuned" result... Needlessly..... If they had done the "The M7 team will now be doing a separate show... TWICE the fun Guys", we would have all died and gone to heaven (Running out of extremes here?..) with Joy?....
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 25, 2014 11:46:36 GMT
There are a lot of reasons for them not mentioning a new show. This could be anything from it not being on Discovery Channel, to simply not having decided on a title, not having decided exactly when it will air or being unwilling to give competing stations advanced warning about it - especially if they intend to put it in a primetime slot.
TV scheduling is a game in which you have to know when to time announcements. Go too early and competing stations/networks can plan ways to screw you over by putting a higher (or just higher profile) show on at the same time. Go to late and people miss the announcement.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 25, 2014 11:55:38 GMT
Leaving at the end of the season, .. well here is an idea, as no one will "Suspect" anything until the fail to be in the NEXT season, to halt speculation they could have just STFU about anything at all until it gets to air?... If you say nothing at all, the fifth elephant, or is that amendment, no one will speculate about where they are going "Next"..............
Or is it that the powers that be "WANT" speculation.... There is no such thing as bad advertising, and we are all being played.
Its not what is being done Cyber, its the way its being done... it stinks.....
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Post by tom1b on Aug 25, 2014 16:08:09 GMT
[quote source="/post/47225/thread" timestamp="1408770283"Like I said elsewhere - Mythbusters is an intelligent show and appeals to intelligent viewers. obviously that doesn't fit Discovery Channel's profile for desirable shows. so... mythbusters is Discovery's best show - obviously the way to increase their viewer share is to tamper with mythbusters. As Red GReen used to say, "If it's not broken, you're not trying." Fanboyz always makes excuses. Cosmos drew in 3-4 million people per week. I would think that an intelligent person can read a newspaper and realize that an event actually happened. I would think that an intelligent person can watch a CGI movie/commercial and know it will never happen in real life. Are you truly trying to say an "intelligent person" had any doubts that a car could not use another car as a ramp a la Wanted? What intelligent person thinks bullets can curve? What intelligent person doesn't look up autoignition temperatures of materials (smokeless powder autoignition temperature 320°F-360°F by the MSDS)? Side note: Autoignition temperature of Black Powder is 392°F-867°F. Making an untraceable bullet is pointless. An intelligent person should know that. Only 66% of violent crimes are solved on average in the US on an annual basis. Right there, it means I have a 1 in 3 chance to get away with it. Add to it, nobody keeps a ballistics record of every single rifle or handgun ever made. That means after you fire your bullet and kill your target, throw the weapon away. They find a bullet and can't trace it to any weapon. Thermite vs Ice is the episode that shows intelligent people don't always have the answer. Frank Doyle is an explosIVES expert not an explosIONS expert. Molten metal hitting water will produce an explosion, a littoral explosion. Thermite is molten metal and ice is water. Littoral explosion is why the China Syndrome can never actually occur: the melting core will hit a pocket of groundwater somewhere close and cause an explosion. Duck Dynasty drew 12 million viewers per week before the anti-gay remarks, barely 4 million after. An argument could be made that 8 million intelligent people used to watch that show. But the reality is, intelligent people can be racist and bigoted too. I'll see how the Mthbusters viewership continues in the next season.
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Post by the light works on Aug 25, 2014 16:41:51 GMT
[quote source="/post/47225/thread" timestamp="1408770283"Like I said elsewhere - Mythbusters is an intelligent show and appeals to intelligent viewers. obviously that doesn't fit Discovery Channel's profile for desirable shows. so... mythbusters is Discovery's best show - obviously the way to increase their viewer share is to tamper with mythbusters. As Red GReen used to say, "If it's not broken, you're not trying." Fanboyz always makes excuses. Cosmos drew in 3-4 million people per week. I would think that an intelligent person can read a newspaper and realize that an event actually happened. I would think that an intelligent person can watch a CGI movie/commercial and know it will never happen in real life. Are you truly trying to say an "intelligent person" had any doubts that a car could not use another car as a ramp a la Wanted? What intelligent person thinks bullets can curve? What intelligent person doesn't look up autoignition temperatures of materials (smokeless powder autoignition temperature 320°F-360°F by the MSDS)? Side note: Autoignition temperature of Black Powder is 392°F-867°F. Making an untraceable bullet is pointless. An intelligent person should know that. Only 66% of violent crimes are solved on average in the US on an annual basis. Right there, it means I have a 1 in 3 chance to get away with it. Add to it, nobody keeps a ballistics record of every single rifle or handgun ever made. That means after you fire your bullet and kill your target, throw the weapon away. They find a bullet and can't trace it to any weapon. Thermite vs Ice is the episode that shows intelligent people don't always have the answer. Frank Doyle is an explosIVES expert not an explosIONS expert. Molten metal hitting water will produce an explosion, a littoral explosion. Thermite is molten metal and ice is water. Littoral explosion is why the China Syndrome can never actually occur: the melting core will hit a pocket of groundwater somewhere close and cause an explosion. Duck Dynasty drew 12 million viewers per week before the anti-gay remarks, barely 4 million after. An argument could be made that 8 million intelligent people used to watch that show. But the reality is, intelligent people can be racist and bigoted too. I'll see how the Mthbusters viewership continues in the next season. no, I am truly trying to say that the majority of TV viewers want to be spoon-fed entertainment, and don't care whether one car can use another as a launching ramp. discovery's shows have been angling more and more towards spoon feeding entertainment, and have been turning off viewers who find manufactured drama to be annoying.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 27, 2014 12:23:01 GMT
It has to be asked, who says audiences need spoon feeding?.... The most popular show on Discovery Network is Mythbusters.... who DONT do the spoon feeding, and put in an intelligence led show..... I have been super-critical myself of shows who constantly repeat and update you on the last five mins of programming. Why?... Because the people I talk to, including everyone on here, DO NOT like that type of program..... The shows we do watch where they do that type of presenting, we like the content of the show, but all despise the "Attention span of a gnat" target of the way they present it?... We are not five year olds, we can see the car is blue, we dont need to be told half a dozen times it was pained blue?... Most everyone I talk to says the same thing. Perhaps they need to get a panel of viewers and ask them....... The important part is they actually listen to what they are told. Discovery.co.uk has a Viewers message board where people are often invited to put in comments and constructive criticism of the shows.... But no one is listening?... I think only the Moderator of the boards is the only one that is paid by Discovery that reads any of the comments.... The comments may be passed on, but does anyone take notice?... I know, its dangerous, one thing you do NOT want to do is let a "Jury" of Mr and Mrs "Average" design a show. But when a thousand people who do watch the show chirp up and say stop repeating yourself every five minutes, is that not worth taking notice of that?.... So being spoon fed.... Who asked for that? Was it the audience, or was it just the producers who "Thought" this is what the audience wants?... Do they ever talk to the audience?.... Have they ever considered the reason we watch certain car restoration shows is we like watching cars being bought back from junk pile to concourse condition, and annoying as it is, we can fast forward through the constant updates of the conversation on how they decided to paint the bloody thing blue..... One hour program of which when added up all the conversations, ten minutes is dedicated to deciding and talking about deciding to paint it blue.... Enough with the colour charts alreadyYou have been put on a deserted island for a survival challenge. We get it. We dont need to be told there is no contact with the outside world every 3 minutes or so.... We got that from the program title "Desert Island Survival Challenge".... So you build Guns for a living. (Red Jacket...) If you have to remind the audience that you have been in this business building guns about a dozen times in each episode, can I ask, seriously, do you sell Ice Cream?.... So, anyone, thoughts on being "Spoon Fed" ..... am I off track here?.. is it what the audience does need, or do we have the evidence that there are intelligent life out there, And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space, 'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth. [Monty Python]
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Post by the light works on Aug 27, 2014 13:58:59 GMT
It has to be asked, who says audiences need spoon feeding?.... The most popular show on Discovery Network is Mythbusters.... who DONT do the spoon feeding, and put in an intelligence led show..... I have been super-critical myself of shows who constantly repeat and update you on the last five mins of programming. Why?... Because the people I talk to, including everyone on here, DO NOT like that type of program..... The shows we do watch where they do that type of presenting, we like the content of the show, but all despise the "Attention span of a gnat" target of the way they present it?... We are not five year olds, we can see the car is blue, we dont need to be told half a dozen times it was pained blue?... Most everyone I talk to says the same thing. Perhaps they need to get a panel of viewers and ask them....... The important part is they actually listen to what they are told. Discovery.co.uk has a Viewers message board where people are often invited to put in comments and constructive criticism of the shows.... But no one is listening?... I think only the Moderator of the boards is the only one that is paid by Discovery that reads any of the comments.... The comments may be passed on, but does anyone take notice?... I know, its dangerous, one thing you do NOT want to do is let a "Jury" of Mr and Mrs "Average" design a show. But when a thousand people who do watch the show chirp up and say stop repeating yourself every five minutes, is that not worth taking notice of that?.... So being spoon fed.... Who asked for that? Was it the audience, or was it just the producers who "Thought" this is what the audience wants?... Do they ever talk to the audience?.... Have they ever considered the reason we watch certain car restoration shows is we like watching cars being bought back from junk pile to concourse condition, and annoying as it is, we can fast forward through the constant updates of the conversation on how they decided to paint the bloody thing blue..... One hour program of which when added up all the conversations, ten minutes is dedicated to deciding and talking about deciding to paint it blue.... Enough with the colour charts alreadyYou have been put on a deserted island for a survival challenge. We get it. We dont need to be told there is no contact with the outside world every 3 minutes or so.... We got that from the program title "Desert Island Survival Challenge".... So you build Guns for a living. (Red Jacket...) If you have to remind the audience that you have been in this business building guns about a dozen times in each episode, can I ask, seriously, do you sell Ice Cream?.... So, anyone, thoughts on being "Spoon Fed" ..... am I off track here?.. is it what the audience does need, or do we have the evidence that there are intelligent life out there, And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space, 'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth. [Monty Python] keep in mind that that is a thousand people wanting more technical detail and less repetition in an audience of a million - the rest of whom want more drama and bickering. I think I've said it before - I'm on here so much because the alternative is to watch mrs TLW's choice of TV.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 27, 2014 20:27:05 GMT
The reason for the repitition isn't that they think the regular audience doesn't get what's going on. It's there for the zappers. The people who constantly roam around the channels to see if anything interesting is on and who only ever give each show about a 15-30 second glance to determine whether it's something they want to watch or not. If those 15-30 seconds aren't clear on what's going on, odds are these people will zapp to the next channel in line and a potential viewer's been lost. Mythbusters does this too, but they do it in a way that doesn't make it annoying to the people who have been watching from the start. Firstly, if it's Robert Lee doing the recap after the commercials, he won't just repeat what he said the last time word for word but rephrase it every time, so you don't feel like you're being talked down to. Secondly, when it's (usually) Adam, Kari or Tory doing the recap they often start it off by saying, "If you're just tuning in..." or, "If you're only just joining us..." followed by a short and sweet to-the-point rundown of what they're doing. They make it obvious that there's a logic to why they're doing the recaps, so that viewers who may have come in a little later than the rest of us can follow what's going on. You don't feel like you're being treated like a retarded 3-year old with a hearing disability, as you do with some of the other shows. So, if you're just joining us now ( ), the constant recaps aren't there for the regular viewership, but for the zappers whose interest the channel is trying to grab.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 27, 2014 20:53:00 GMT
It is easy for those of us in the UK forget the somewhat different nature of US TV. Not only are they used to a truly alarming number of channels to choose from, but they have longer ad-breaks than in the UK. So channel surfing has been around in the US for several decades.
Here in the UK there were only three TV channels to choose from until 1982, when we got channel 4. Satellite and cable didn't really appear until the late 1980's (Sky TV didn't start until 89) and didn't start to become popular until the mid 90's - and even then it is only very recently that digital TV started to increase the number of channels available without subscribing.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 27, 2014 20:57:48 GMT
It is easy for those of us in the UK forget the somewhat different nature of US TV. Not only are they used to a truly alarming number of channels to choose from, but they have longer ad-breaks than in the UK. So channel surfing has been around in the US for several decades. Here in the UK there were only three TV channels to choose from until 1982, when we got channel 4. Satellite and cable didn't really appear until the late 1980's (Sky TV didn't start until 89) and didn't start to become popular until the mid 90's - and even then it is only very recently that digital TV started to increase the number of channels available without subscribing. That goes for most of Europe, not just the UK. But channel surfing isn't just an American phenomenon anymore. Anyone who was brought up in the 90's or later is used to having that larger amount of channels to choose from in Europe too, so it's spreading.
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Post by ironhold on Aug 27, 2014 23:31:00 GMT
It is easy for those of us in the UK forget the somewhat different nature of US TV. Not only are they used to a truly alarming number of channels to choose from, but they have longer ad-breaks than in the UK. So channel surfing has been around in the US for several decades. Here in the UK there were only three TV channels to choose from until 1982, when we got channel 4. Satellite and cable didn't really appear until the late 1980's (Sky TV didn't start until 89) and didn't start to become popular until the mid 90's - and even then it is only very recently that digital TV started to increase the number of channels available without subscribing. Here in the US, so long as you are in compliance with FCC regulations and can convince someone to carry your station as part of their line-up you can pretty much start your own station, if not network. As a result, starting in the 1980s, we had an explosion in the number of television stations in America as the main over-the-air broadcast networks finally began facing credible competition and both cable & satelite television became affordable for more people. I would estimate that there are literally a thousand channels which may potentially be available in any given media market depending upon what channels are picked up by the local cable or satellite providers. Because of the surge in available channels, each individual channel - even the independent channels which are not affiliated with any network - has now taken to focusing on one specific target audience and/or genre of programming. For example, The Hub Network focuses on providing "family" entertainment. When it first launched, the programming was largely arranged so that shows for younger children (such as the Tonka-inspired "Chuck & Friends") aired early in the morning, shows for older children (like "G. I. Joe: Sigma 6") aired in the afternoon, and shows for late teens / adults (like "Happy Days") aired in the evenings. The network still maintains a focus on teen / adult programming for evenings, but has blended the kids' programming together.
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Post by the light works on Aug 28, 2014 0:50:01 GMT
we also now have DVR zappers - who start fanning the skip forward button as soon as they hear something to the effect of "we will return in a moment" having the recap allows them more cushion for overshooting.
the trend that annoys me as much as the constant repetitions is the trend to chop up every scene into a million different camera angles. Mythbusters did this for a short time, and then quit again. possibly due to viewers yelling that they wanted to actually see the explosion happen from beginning to end, instead of seeing every part of the explosion 5 times in random sequence.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 28, 2014 9:04:13 GMT
"Build the Tension"
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Post by the light works on Aug 28, 2014 14:11:41 GMT
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 29, 2014 10:07:38 GMT
"Cut two non related scenes together to make it look like impending tragedy, and use that to advertise the show..."
We are digressing away from topic in hand.
BEHAVE!..... I sad TOPIC.....
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 31, 2014 20:21:41 GMT
For those asking what the build team is doing. Kari is currently filming in Hawaii.
No news on exactly what she is filming, but the fact that she doesn't seem to have mentioned a show would tend to imply to me that it is something new.
Grant and Tory don't appear to have been involved in this. I would point out that it is possible that they might be doing the same show, but filming separately. However Grant attended Dragoncon, and in a brief YouTube clip from that he mentioned that he now lives in Hollywood. As I think it is unlikely that Kari would be willing to move from SF, since she has a kid and the rest of her family is in that area. I suspect that Grant is not involved in whatever Kari is doing. It would also make sense, as Kari is probably the better choice to host a new show.
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