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Post by Lokifan on Jul 17, 2016 14:52:51 GMT
The problems of dealing with a wheelchair could fill another thread.
My wife was stuck in one for a week when she had foot surgery.
It was an eye opener.
I especially loved crossing streets where there was a "ramp" (or at least a bevel) allowing you to get off the curb on one side of a crosswalk, but a straight, six-inch curb on the other side of the street.
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 18, 2016 8:23:29 GMT
So how would you stand up and change trousers without something to hold on to?.. Otherwise, tell them many thanks for at least providing enough space to get a chair into?. From a probable future chair user. find a pretty girl to come in and help? yeah, I see your point, and it is something that most people are oblivious to. I would tray that but in all probability my Wife would be there. .. so no pretty young girls for the dirty old dragon.... ....?...
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 18, 2016 8:27:54 GMT
The problems of dealing with a wheelchair could fill another thread. My wife was stuck in one for a week when she had foot surgery. It was an eye opener. I especially loved crossing streets where there was a "ramp" (or at least a bevel) allowing you to get off the curb on one side of a crosswalk, but a straight, six-inch curb on the other side of the street. Hows that working?... No serious, if they drop the kerb on one side, why the HELL dont they drop it on the other side as well at the same time?... who's bloody silly idea is it to do only one side and strand a wheelchair on the other side?.. I have friends in chairs, some ex military. [last night I get a call from one of the asking who out of us was up for doing a "turkey" on the Govt here... heh heh heh... ] So I notice the problems they have. Some chairs, electric ones, have "kerb climbers" stuck out to deal with kerbs. Others do not.
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Post by Lokifan on Jul 18, 2016 9:38:53 GMT
Your Tax Dollars At Work, that's how.
If you're only fixing one side of the street, that's what you get. I'm sure they have the paperwork and procedures to prove it.
They just redesigned an intersection near me and did something completely incomprehensible.
It's a major intersection on an expressway--8 lanes crossing 4 lanes, with turn lanes. There were islands on all four corners, with signal lights.
After about six months of construction, the removed the islands--or rather, they redesigned them. They used to be solid, flat raised surfaces. They had wheelchair ramps to get you up to the level of the island.
Now, they left the outline of the island as about a six inch square wall where the raised surface was, on three sides. The wheelchair ramps are gone, but that's okay, because the walls have openings in them to allow the chair user to never leave the surface of the road. Other pedestrians, though, have to step carefully over each wall.
Really, it makes no sense at all. It's more of a trip hazard than anything else.
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 18, 2016 21:55:12 GMT
shop I just did some repair in had enough room for a wheelchair to turn around. no bars, though. Sure they didn't just do that to accomodate fat people? As I'm sure you know, the Special Snowflakes of yesteryear were the "being obese is a disability" crowd.
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Post by the light works on Jul 19, 2016 15:38:40 GMT
shop I just did some repair in had enough room for a wheelchair to turn around. no bars, though. Sure they didn't just do that to accomodate fat people? As I'm sure you know, the Special Snowflakes of yesteryear were the "being obese is a disability" crowd. more likely it was done to let them admire themselves in the mirror - but it may be two rooms were combined to make one.
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 21, 2016 7:17:37 GMT
Your Tax Dollars At Work, that's how. If you're only fixing one side of the street, that's what you get. I'm sure they have the paperwork and procedures to prove it. They just redesigned an intersection near me and did something completely incomprehensible. It's a major intersection on an expressway--8 lanes crossing 4 lanes, with turn lanes. There were islands on all four corners, with signal lights. After about six months of construction, the removed the islands--or rather, they redesigned them. They used to be solid, flat raised surfaces. They had wheelchair ramps to get you up to the level of the island. Now, they left the outline of the island as about a six inch square wall where the raised surface was, on three sides. The wheelchair ramps are gone, but that's okay, because the walls have openings in them to allow the chair user to never leave the surface of the road. Other pedestrians, though, have to step carefully over each wall. Really, it makes no sense at all. It's more of a trip hazard than anything else. Cant say I am surprised. They just spent six weeks moving a traffic island a foot to the right near our local tram stop.... Please dont ask why, I aint worked that out yet?.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jul 21, 2016 12:19:11 GMT
What they are doing here is at every intersection, they are tearing up the sidewalk and putting in those red pads with the little bumps on them. It's supposed to be so a blind person knows that they have reached an intersection. While I'm all for helping blind people, it seems to be a complete waste of money since in the 30+ years I've lived here, I have never seen a blind person walking down our street. And if they are for blind people, why do they paint them red?
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Post by mrfatso on Jul 21, 2016 13:18:13 GMT
What they are doing here is at every intersection, they are tearing up the sidewalk and putting in those red pads with the little bumps on them. It's supposed to be so a blind person knows that they have reached an intersection. While I'm all for helping blind people, it seems to be a complete waste of money since in the 30+ years I've lived here, I have never seen a blind person walking down our street. And if they are for blind people, why do they paint them red? I would imagine it's because they are for people who fall under the term blind but do not have complete sight loss. Take the condition for which I am treated for at the moment Diabetic Retinopathy, it can lead to patches within your vision being occluded making the pavement bright red at crossing places makes it easier to see. Simulation of the vision of someone with Diabetic Retinopathy. The same image with healthy eyesight.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jul 21, 2016 13:39:15 GMT
I just believe that instead of spending millions of dollars putting in bumps, they could find better ways of helping blind people. And it does little for people in wheelchairs as the bumps makes it more difficult to get across the street.
And actually, I do know why they are putting in the bumps. It's because the company that makes the bump pads, and has a patent on them, lobbied very heavily to get the requirement put in the ADA.
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Post by the light works on Jul 21, 2016 13:47:49 GMT
Your Tax Dollars At Work, that's how. If you're only fixing one side of the street, that's what you get. I'm sure they have the paperwork and procedures to prove it. They just redesigned an intersection near me and did something completely incomprehensible. It's a major intersection on an expressway--8 lanes crossing 4 lanes, with turn lanes. There were islands on all four corners, with signal lights. After about six months of construction, the removed the islands--or rather, they redesigned them. They used to be solid, flat raised surfaces. They had wheelchair ramps to get you up to the level of the island. Now, they left the outline of the island as about a six inch square wall where the raised surface was, on three sides. The wheelchair ramps are gone, but that's okay, because the walls have openings in them to allow the chair user to never leave the surface of the road. Other pedestrians, though, have to step carefully over each wall. Really, it makes no sense at all. It's more of a trip hazard than anything else. Cant say I am surprised. They just spent six weeks moving a traffic island a foot to the right near our local tram stop.... Please dont ask why, I aint worked that out yet?. Amateurs. the road widening project they finished last summer was started while I was still working for Brand X. and I left them in 2007.
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Post by the light works on Jul 21, 2016 13:48:11 GMT
What they are doing here is at every intersection, they are tearing up the sidewalk and putting in those red pads with the little bumps on them. It's supposed to be so a blind person knows that they have reached an intersection. While I'm all for helping blind people, it seems to be a complete waste of money since in the 30+ years I've lived here, I have never seen a blind person walking down our street. And if they are for blind people, why do they paint them red? so people who can see don't trip over them, of course. addendum: I would like to see a rule that a mandatory requirement cannot give an entity a monopoly. I.E. Greg cannot get a regulation in place that requires ambulance manufacturers to use HIS heater system. or a company that manufacturers trip hazards cannot get a regulation in place that requires THEIR trip hazards to be used. - or cannot hold exclusive rights to the particular trip hazard.
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Post by Lokifan on Jul 21, 2016 14:37:16 GMT
I think I posted on those little bumps before. They're yellow here.
If I recall correctly, they really are the result of a manufacturer lobbying a relative.
Also, there are blind organizations that are against them as well. Seems they consider them a trip hazard that outweighs any other safety issue.
All I know is that I hate them because they woke my infant nephew when I made the mistake of pushing a shopping cart over them. It shook the cart badly--like a jackhammer.
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Post by the light works on Jul 21, 2016 14:59:43 GMT
I think I posted on those little bumps before. They're yellow here. If I recall correctly, they really are the result of a manufacturer lobbying a relative. Also, there are blind organizations that are against them as well. Seems they consider them a trip hazard that outweighs any other safety issue. All I know is that I hate them because they woke my infant nephew when I made the mistake of pushing a shopping cart over them. It shook the cart badly--like a jackhammer. I can see requiring a change in the feel of the surface, but that particular design looks like it would cause trouble for anyone.
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 22, 2016 0:41:45 GMT
These days, the word "invention" is substituted by the word "innovation" like they basically mean the same thing, but they don't. "Invention" means makings something new that didn't previously exist in order to solve a known problem. "Innovation" means inventing a previously unknown problem in order to sell an already existing product. Side note: I was about to call it "ass-backwards" and for some reason started to think about that term. It's supposed to mean you're doing things in the wrong order, as in you're turned the wrong way, but isn't your butt supposed to face backwards? Shouldn't the term be "ass-forwards"? "Ass-forwards" would mean you're doing something wrong no matter how you choose to look at it, because you're either facing in the right direction, but going the wrong way, or going the right way, but facing in the wrong direction. Just a weird little thought
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Post by the light works on Jul 22, 2016 0:57:37 GMT
These days, the word "invention" is substituted by the word "innovation", but they don't mean the same thing. "Invention" mens makings something new that didn't previously exist in order to solve a known problem. "Innovation" means inventing a previously unknown problem in order to sell an already existing product. Side note: I was about to call it "ass-backwards" and for some reason started to think about that term. It's supposed to mean you're doing things in the wrong order, as in you're turned the wrong way, but isn't your butt supposed to face backwards? Shouldn't the term be "ass-forwards"? "Ass-forwards" would mean you're doing something wrong no matter how you choose to look at it, because you're either facing in the right direction, but going the wrong way, or going the right way, but facing in the wrong direction. Just a weird little thought ass is a modifier for backwards. you can be backwards and then you can be ass backwards. it does not relate to the direction your posterior is facing.
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 22, 2016 1:10:06 GMT
]ass is a modifier for backwards. you can be backwards and then you can be ass backwards. it does not relate to the direction your posterior is facing. So you're saying the "ass" is just there to make it vulgar, not to make a point? A simple "backwards" would have sufficed, but somewhere along the line - to make it perfectly clear that they thought something was utterly stupid - they added a vulgarity into the mix to underline their point, not realizing that they were nullifying that very point because the vulgarity they chose gave an unintended sense of direction contrary to what they were actually trying to say. In other words, the term "ass-backwards" - defined as doing things in the wrong order - is actually "ass-forwards"
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Post by the light works on Jul 22, 2016 1:20:30 GMT
]ass is a modifier for backwards. you can be backwards and then you can be ass backwards. it does not relate to the direction your posterior is facing. So you're saying the "ass" is just there to make it vulgar, not to make a point? A simple "backwards" would have sufficed, but somewhere along the line - to make it perfectly clear that they thought something was utterly stupid - they added a vulgarity into the mix to underline their point, not realizing that they were nullifying that very point because the vulgarity they chose gave an unintended sense of direction contrary to what they were actually trying to say. In other words, the term "ass-backwards" - defined as doing things in the wrong order - is actually "ass-forwards" the "ass" part is actually referring to a personality characteristic rather than a body part.
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 23, 2016 8:17:02 GMT
Putting the cart before the horse.
Anyone remember that phrase?... Ass Backwards is having a donkey cart with the ass at the back of the cart pushing.... Someone tried that once because the heard if a donkey sees what its pulling it wont move, hence blinkers. I believe the donkey refused to push at all.
But the phrase ass backwards comes from the phrase putting the cart before the horse.
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Post by the light works on Jul 23, 2016 13:25:28 GMT
and BTW, "backwards" does not mean at the rear, it means opposite to the correct direction.
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