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Post by the light works on Aug 25, 2014 3:50:13 GMT
Keep in mind that the ship combat scenes were inspired by WWII movie dogfights - which did not feature planes with rear firing armament, other than heavy bombers
in at least one of the Han Solo background stories, the author makes a point of the need for the falcon to try to fly with the attack runs to reduce the speed advantage of the fighters attacking her. - and that they had to depend pretty heavily on their deflectors.
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Post by mrfatso on Aug 25, 2014 10:52:22 GMT
There are two Y-wing variants, the only real difference being that one is a single seat fighter-bomber while the other is a two seater. Both have a swivel mounted ion cannon (not a blaster) that can rotate around 360 degrees above the cockpit. In the two seat version the rear gunner controls the ion cannon, while in the single seater the pilot controls the gun. Because pilots can't usually look both ahead and behind them, the cannon on the single seat Y-Wing is usually locked in the forward position - as they were at Yavin. according to wookiepedia, the Y-wings at yavin were early models that did not have the ion cannon at all. (which I read as Lucas patterned them after existing fighter/bombers, which typically did not have rear firing armament - and it was later EU writing that added the rear firing armament) I think that LTW is correct , the image that CM has comes from the "improved" version of Star Wars form the mid 90s with its computer generated StarbFighter models. I checked my. Star Wars sourcebooks for the WEG game and there are photos from the original version that show the Ymwing with some kind of structure on the rear of the Cockpit, but it is not as distinct as as that. This is a link to an image of a Y wing in the colours of Gold Squadron, that appears similar to those photos. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-A4_Y-wing_starfighter?file=Ywing.jpg
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 25, 2014 11:38:19 GMT
I used to own a airfix Y-Wing*, circa 1990, have the 'Rebel Alliance Source Book' that was printed for the West End Games Star Wars RPG in the mid 1980's and had a friend who owned on the die cast models from the Early 1980's. I also have the X-Wing series of 'simulators' that were released on the PC from 1991(?) on-wards.
These predate the enhanced editions of the original films by at least 10 years in some cases. And all of them show the Y-Wing with a pair of guns located on a mounting at the rear of the cockpit.
(*I think the picture linked to is actually one of those models, as it is identical to the one I used to own.)
The real world explanation of course is simply that at the time the original films, and certainly A New Hope, were made the technology wasn't really up to being able to show the rear guns being used. This is why when the Tie fighters attack the Falcon we only see the guns moving and firing from inside the ship, in the external scenes the Falcon isn't firing. You'll see much the same with the Falcon two films later at the Battle of Endor, where the ship only fires her guns at targets in front of her in the external footage*.
(*This is actually a bigger gaffe than the Y-Wing. It was established that the Falcon has gun turrets back in New Hope, and we see that she appears to have a full crew which you would assume includes two people to man those turrets. Yet at no point during second trench run, when the Falcon is at the back and being shot at by several Ties, does anyone thing to use the turreted guns to fire at the pursuers. I can understand that during the dogfighting that takes place earlier it might have been impractical to use the turrets in anything but the forward position, as they were weaving around to avoid being shot by the Star Destroyers. But you'd think someone might have thought to shoot at the ships flying down the narrow tunnel later on....)
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Post by mrfatso on Aug 25, 2014 13:17:59 GMT
Yes just rewatched my copy of the original Theatrical release DVD, the Y wing did have 2 mall guns on the top of the cockpit, though not the size of the ones from the Special Addition.
I think the argument about computer control of those guns goes back into the back story of the Star Wars universe, and the reason why they used droids to do jobs rather than just automate systems. The disaster of the Katana fleet lost when a computer linked hyperdrive system slave linked to all 200 fleet ships was programmed to a random misjump by an insane fleet commander lead to a distrust of such systems, and by extension all automated systems. Of course all of that is made up,in the EU.
The Rebel Alliance source book has line drawings in in, and is part of the expanded universe, do you have a copy of the 2nd ed rule book or the original Source book that was published with the first rule book?
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Post by the light works on Aug 25, 2014 13:40:21 GMT
I used to own a airfix Y-Wing*, circa 1990, have the 'Rebel Alliance Source Book' that was printed for the West End Games Star Wars RPG in the mid 1980's and had a friend who owned on the die cast models from the Early 1980's. I also have the X-Wing series of 'simulators' that were released on the PC from 1991(?) on-wards. These predate the enhanced editions of the original films by at least 10 years in some cases. And all of them show the Y-Wing with a pair of guns located on a mounting at the rear of the cockpit. (*I think the picture linked to is actually one of those models, as it is identical to the one I used to own.) The real world explanation of course is simply that at the time the original films, and certainly A New Hope, were made the technology wasn't really up to being able to show the rear guns being used. This is why when the Tie fighters attack the Falcon we only see the guns moving and firing from inside the ship, in the external scenes the Falcon isn't firing. You'll see much the same with the Falcon two films later at the Battle of Endor, where the ship only fires her guns at targets in front of her in the external footage*. (*This is actually a bigger gaffe than the Y-Wing. It was established that the Falcon has gun turrets back in New Hope, and we see that she appears to have a full crew which you would assume includes two people to man those turrets. Yet at no point during second trench run, when the Falcon is at the back and being shot at by several Ties, does anyone thing to use the turreted guns to fire at the pursuers. I can understand that during the dogfighting that takes place earlier it might have been impractical to use the turrets in anything but the forward position, as they were weaving around to avoid being shot by the Star Destroyers. But you'd think someone might have thought to shoot at the ships flying down the narrow tunnel later on....) I don't have my copies available to watch due to the fact Mrs TLW believes the proper place for VHS tapes is in a box in the attic. however, if there are threats forward, the decision may have been made to focus on the threats forward, and allow the shields to handle the threats from behind.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 25, 2014 14:53:14 GMT
Just did some checking on this. My version is the first edition of the source book printed in October 1990. The book contains line drawings, some stills from the films (a brief check didn't show any of the fighters as stills). Interestingly there IS what appears to be a concept drawing for the hanger on Yavin, they made a lot of concept drawings for Star Wars and the styling of the X-Wing in the background is different enough from the movie version that I'd date this to circa 1976. What really is interesting is that the fighter in the front of the picture is clearly a Y-Wing, the design (unlike the X-Wing) appears to have remained unchanged. This design not only includes the gun turret above the rear of the cockpit, but also has the two guns rotated roughly 120 degrees to port.
This would imply that the intention was always to have the Y-Wing capable of defending itself using the turret to shoot back at attackers, making it more of a torpedo-bomber than an actual fighter (which would in fact fit with using WW2 combat footage as a reference for the Death Star fights).
Best guess would be that they couldn't find a practical way to animate the turret moving and firing with the technology of the time - these were after all motion controlled models and while they could probably have worked in a system to rotate the turret this would had added a degree of complexity to the control system (and hence cost) they couldn't afford*. Likewise I'd suspect that the Y-Wing was originally intended to be a twin seat craft. But it was probably cheaper and quicker to redress the cockpit of the X-Wings than build a two-seat cockpit for the Y-Wings. Especially considering how much time was actually spent looking at the pilots in the Y-Wings. Keep in mind that the fledgling Lucasarts was effectively having to invent a lot of these effects shots as they were going along. Heck, they had to build the computers and equipment needed to film a lot of the shots they did in the garage they were working out of. As the story goes they didn't even have a coffee machine when they started out....
If they went back and redid the effects shots for the original films (not just given us Jabba the Hut, but redone all of the effects shots) no doubt they would have shown the Y-Wings using their turret guns to fire back at their attackers, as this was probably the original intention. The two versions of the Y-Wing was most likely an explanation as to why the rear guns were not used, and in context (that is it was impractical for a pilot to be shooting at a target behind them) actually makes sense.
(*I'm wondering if the reason we don't see a rear gunner in the Y-Wings is because they DID add a small motor to allow the turret to be rotated, but decided not to use it.)
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Post by the light works on Aug 25, 2014 15:08:16 GMT
Just did some checking on this. My version is the first edition of the source book printed in October 1990. The book contains line drawings, some stills from the films (a brief check didn't show any of the fighters as stills). Interestingly there IS what appears to be a concept drawing for the hanger on Yavin, they made a lot of concept drawings for Star Wars and the styling of the X-Wing in the background is different enough from the movie version that I'd date this to circa 1976. What really is interesting is that the fighter in the front of the picture is clearly a Y-Wing, the design (unlike the X-Wing) appears to have remained unchanged. This design not only includes the gun turret above the rear of the cockpit, but also has the two guns rotated roughly 120 degrees to port. This would imply that the intention was always to have the Y-Wing capable of defending itself using the turret to shoot back at attackers, making it more of a torpedo-bomber than an actual fighter (which would in fact fit with using WW2 combat footage as a reference for the Death Star fights). Best guess would be that they couldn't find a practical way to animate the turret moving and firing with the technology of the time - these were after all motion controlled models and while they could probably have worked in a system to rotate the turret this would had added a degree of complexity to the control system (and hence cost) they couldn't afford*. Likewise I'd suspect that the Y-Wing was originally intended to be a twin seat craft. But it was probably cheaper and quicker to redress the cockpit of the X-Wings than build a two-seat cockpit for the Y-Wings. Especially considering how much time was actually spent looking at the pilots in the Y-Wings. Keep in mind that the fledgling Lucasarts was effectively having to invent a lot of these effects shots as they were going along. Heck, they had to build the computers and equipment needed to film a lot of the shots they did in the garage they were working out of. As the story goes they didn't even have a coffee machine when they started out.... If they went back and redid the effects shots for the original films (not just given us Jabba the Hut, but redone all of the effects shots) no doubt they would have shown the Y-Wings using their turret guns to fire back at their attackers, as this was probably the original intention. The two versions of the Y-Wing was most likely an explanation as to why the rear guns were not used, and in context (that is it was impractical for a pilot to be shooting at a target behind them) actually makes sense. (*I'm wondering if the reason we don't see a rear gunner in the Y-Wings is because they DID add a small motor to allow the turret to be rotated, but decided not to use it.) I'm sticking with my original theory: first group of Y-wings uses their turret mounted ion cannons to protect the torpedo run. Death Star destroyed. Luke (and Star Wars franchise) fades into obscurity.
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Post by mrfatso on Aug 25, 2014 17:59:17 GMT
Just did some checking on this. My version is the first edition of the source book printed in October 1990. The book contains line drawings, some stills from the films (a brief check didn't show any of the fighters as stills). Interestingly there IS what appears to be a concept drawing for the hanger on Yavin, they made a lot of concept drawings for Star Wars and the styling of the X-Wing in the background is different enough from the movie version that I'd date this to circa 1976. What really is interesting is that the fighter in the front of the picture is clearly a Y-Wing, the design (unlike the X-Wing) appears to have remained unchanged. This design not only includes the gun turret above the rear of the cockpit, but also has the two guns rotated roughly 120 degrees to port. This would imply that the intention was always to have the Y-Wing capable of defending itself using the turret to shoot back at attackers, making it more of a torpedo-bomber than an actual fighter (which would in fact fit with using WW2 combat footage as a reference for the Death Star fights). Best guess would be that they couldn't find a practical way to animate the turret moving and firing with the technology of the time - these were after all motion controlled models and while they could probably have worked in a system to rotate the turret this would had added a degree of complexity to the control system (and hence cost) they couldn't afford*. Likewise I'd suspect that the Y-Wing was originally intended to be a twin seat craft. But it was probably cheaper and quicker to redress the cockpit of the X-Wings than build a two-seat cockpit for the Y-Wings. Especially considering how much time was actually spent looking at the pilots in the Y-Wings. Keep in mind that the fledgling Lucasarts was effectively having to invent a lot of these effects shots as they were going along. Heck, they had to build the computers and equipment needed to film a lot of the shots they did in the garage they were working out of. As the story goes they didn't even have a coffee machine when they started out.... If they went back and redid the effects shots for the original films (not just given us Jabba the Hut, but redone all of the effects shots) no doubt they would have shown the Y-Wings using their turret guns to fire back at their attackers, as this was probably the original intention. The two versions of the Y-Wing was most an explanation as to why the rear guns were not used, and in context (that is it was impractical for a pilot to be shooting at a target behind them) actually makes sense. (*I'm wondering if the reason we don't see a rear gunner in the Y-Wings is because they DID add a small motor to allow the turret to be rotated, but decided not to use it.) I have that copy, but I am referring to,the 1987 The Star Wars Sourcebook the photograph I was originally looking at is on page 16, It is a pretty fuzzy Picture I will admit. Having watched the movie today the dialogue says to focus on the forward threats including the deflectors, however the fighters cannot easily detect theTies, they were seen on the sensors of Yavin base,and the X Wings and Y Wings relied on visual identification,
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Post by the light works on Aug 25, 2014 18:12:54 GMT
the first trench run failure could be chalked up to them not realizing any TIEs had been launched. I think Luke asks Artoo to adjust his deflectors just before he gets hit. - but, again, my copies of the movies are in the attic where I can't easily get to them.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 25, 2014 19:03:46 GMT
The fighters couldn't detect the Tie-fighters because the Death Star was jamming their sensors - which might also be why the targeting computers on the fighters couldn't manage to hit the target.
This is one of the reasons that an automatic targeting system would not be all that practical/desirable. If you were fighting anywhere near a capital ship (which the Rebels usually were) such a system could be messed up by the bigger ships ECM systems, making it useless.
Yavin base did not detect the Tie fighters, it detected the communication signals being sent to and from the fighters rather than the fighters themselves. This is logical, since presumably Imperial fighters communicate on different channels to, say, the capital ships and those channels would not be blocked.
Aside; It is mentioned during the briefing that the empire didn't consider single man fighters a threat. This is rather amusing given that six year old Anakin managed to take out a Trade Confederation cruiser in...a single seat fighter armed with torpedoes...and did so by hitting the main reactor*. A much older Anakin managed to board a cruiser in his single seat fighter by blowing the hanger open using laser fire. Apparently Vader is in the early stages of dementia, or seriously repressing memories from his pre-Sith life, not to have pointed this out when the Empire was busy designing its ships....
(*Apparently the safest place to put the main reactor of your ship is in the middle of the hanger bay, or in the case of the second Death Star in a large chamber you can fly a freighter through...Guess the Sith like to give their opponents a sporting chance.)
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Post by the light works on Aug 26, 2014 4:38:43 GMT
The fighters couldn't detect the Tie-fighters because the Death Star was jamming their sensors - which might also be why the targeting computers on the fighters couldn't manage to hit the target. This is one of the reasons that an automatic targeting system would not be all that practical/desirable. If you were fighting anywhere near a capital ship (which the Rebels usually were) such a system could be messed up by the bigger ships ECM systems, making it useless. Yavin base did not detect the Tie fighters, it detected the communication signals being sent to and from the fighters rather than the fighters themselves. This is logical, since presumably Imperial fighters communicate on different channels to, say, the capital ships and those channels would not be blocked. Aside; It is mentioned during the briefing that the empire didn't consider single man fighters a threat. This is rather amusing given that six year old Anakin managed to take out a Trade Confederation cruiser in...a single seat fighter armed with torpedoes...and did so by hitting the main reactor*. A much older Anakin managed to board a cruiser in his single seat fighter by blowing the hanger open using laser fire. Apparently Vader is in the early stages of dementia, or seriously repressing memories from his pre-Sith life, not to have pointed this out when the Empire was busy designing its ships.... (*Apparently the safest place to put the main reactor of your ship is in the middle of the hanger bay, or in the case of the second Death Star in a large chamber you can fly a freighter through...Guess the Sith like to give their opponents a sporting chance.) I suspect Vader wasn't consulted during the design phase - and as you will recall, he took the fighter attack seriously. as for the second death star - remember that it was not finished - though the emperor insisted in activating all weapons systems despite it not being finished.
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Post by mrfatso on Aug 26, 2014 5:54:04 GMT
The fighters couldn't detect the Tie-fighters because the Death Star was jamming their sensors - which might also be why the targeting computers on the fighters couldn't manage to hit the target. This is one of the reasons that an automatic targeting system would not be all that practical/desirable. If you were fighting anywhere near a capital ship (which the Rebels usually were) such a system could be messed up by the bigger ships ECM systems, making it useless. Yavin base did not detect the Tie fighters, it detected the communication signals being sent to and from the fighters rather than the fighters themselves. This is logical, since presumably Imperial fighters communicate on different channels to, say, the capital ships and those channels would not be blocked. Aside; It is mentioned during the briefing that the empire didn't consider single man fighters a threat. This is rather amusing given that six year old Anakin managed to take out a Trade Confederation cruiser in...a single seat fighter armed with torpedoes...and did so by hitting the main reactor*. A much older Anakin managed to board a cruiser in his single seat fighter by blowing the hanger open using laser fire. Apparently Vader is in the early stages of dementia, or seriously repressing memories from his pre-Sith life, not to have pointed this out when the Empire was busy designing its ships.... (*Apparently the safest place to put the main reactor of your ship is in the middle of the hanger bay, or in the case of the second Death Star in a large chamber you can fly a freighter through...Guess the Sith like to give their opponents a sporting chance.) Detecting the Ties through communications is still devoting them through sensors, it's one form of passive detection.
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Post by wvengineer on Aug 26, 2014 13:38:53 GMT
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Post by the light works on Aug 26, 2014 13:59:18 GMT
The fighters couldn't detect the Tie-fighters because the Death Star was jamming their sensors - which might also be why the targeting computers on the fighters couldn't manage to hit the target. This is one of the reasons that an automatic targeting system would not be all that practical/desirable. If you were fighting anywhere near a capital ship (which the Rebels usually were) such a system could be messed up by the bigger ships ECM systems, making it useless. Yavin base did not detect the Tie fighters, it detected the communication signals being sent to and from the fighters rather than the fighters themselves. This is logical, since presumably Imperial fighters communicate on different channels to, say, the capital ships and those channels would not be blocked. Aside; It is mentioned during the briefing that the empire didn't consider single man fighters a threat. This is rather amusing given that six year old Anakin managed to take out a Trade Confederation cruiser in...a single seat fighter armed with torpedoes...and did so by hitting the main reactor*. A much older Anakin managed to board a cruiser in his single seat fighter by blowing the hanger open using laser fire. Apparently Vader is in the early stages of dementia, or seriously repressing memories from his pre-Sith life, not to have pointed this out when the Empire was busy designing its ships.... (*Apparently the safest place to put the main reactor of your ship is in the middle of the hanger bay, or in the case of the second Death Star in a large chamber you can fly a freighter through...Guess the Sith like to give their opponents a sporting chance.) Detecting the Ties through communications is still devoting them through sensors, it's one form of passive detection. yes and no. "sensors" implies being able to register that there are bodies flying around the battle zone that match the characteristics of TIE fighters. intercepting comm traffic allows you to infer that there are active TIE fighters; but does not allow you to determine where they are except through overheard radio chatter.
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Post by the light works on Aug 26, 2014 14:40:10 GMT
nitpicks: episode IV: in the Star Wars universe, hyperdrive equipped ships can exceed light speed. radio signals cannot. with the distance they had to cover to get from wherever the designs were kept and Yavin, the rebels may have had to wait decades for the information if it was sent by radio. just going through the planet to get to the moon, however, was a valid point. episode V: It seemed to me like he was already aware of Luke Skywalker and the significance of his name, by episode V. episode VI: everybody seems to forget that the second death star was not finished when the rebels attacked. - in fact as I recall, once it was complete, the passages they flew the ships into would have been blocked completely so not even torpedoes could get in.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 26, 2014 15:06:09 GMT
Faster than light communications exist in the SW universe, something that you don't need to have any knowledge of the expanded universe to work out;
At least twice information is received on the Death Star in Ep IV that could only have come through FTL communications - specifically the news that the Imperial Senate had been dissolved, and later the news that Dantoonine wasn't the location of the Rebel base. (Dantoonine was noted as 'too far away to make an effective demonstration')
In Ep V Vader talks to the Emperor in real time (in fact this is seen in the prequels as well), even though the Hoth system is noted as being 'remote'
Of course the first thing any dictator wants to do is control what news the population gets, which means controlling the communication network as much as possible. So the Rebels probably couldn't or wouldn't want to use the FTL communications system because it would have been flagged by the Empire in short order - revealing exactly how much information they had, where the message had been sent from and who (or at least where) too.
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Post by the light works on Aug 26, 2014 15:11:31 GMT
Faster than light communications exist in the SW universe, something that you don't need to have any knowledge of the expanded universe to work out; At least twice information is received on the Death Star in Ep IV that could only have come through FTL communications - specifically the news that the Imperial Senate had been dissolved, and later the news that Dantoonine wasn't the location of the Rebel base. (Dantoonine was noted as 'too far away to make an effective demonstration') In Ep V Vader talks to the Emperor in real time (in fact this is seen in the prequels as well), even though the Hoth system is noted as being 'remote' Of course the first thing any dictator wants to do is control what news the population gets, which means controlling the communication network as much as possible. So the Rebels probably couldn't or wouldn't want to use the FTL communications system because it would have been flagged by the Empire in short order - revealing exactly how much information they had, where the message had been sent from and who (or at least where) too. true - I overlooked that it was used by various people - which leaves the question of whether it requires special equipment, or is network based (like the internet) where it could be monitored - because the rebels were trying to keep their knowledge of the plans a secret. in episode I, Padme was able to view a message sent by one of the members of her court - and was admonished to maintain radio silence so they couldn't be traced - which means that if it required FTL transmitters, her ship had them - but also that the signals could be intercepted.
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Post by wvengineer on Aug 26, 2014 15:20:07 GMT
If Leia had a good idea the ship was being tracked, why go straight to Yavin? Stop somewhere else, find the tracker, and either destroy it or stick it on some other ship to lead them even further astray?. If you can't convince Han, go to some other planet and get another ship.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 26, 2014 15:28:31 GMT
The expanded universe indicates three types of communication systems. The most basic is radio, which is slower than light and used within individual star systems and between ships at close ranges.
The second system is an FTL system similar to a cell phone network, in that a call is routed through different areas and carriers. Because messages are shifted through a lot of different systems and networks costs and transmission time vary. Broadband width is limited on this system, so it is not used for face to face or real time communications (unless you happen to be very close to whoever you are calling). Aside from the fact that most of these networks would likely be controlled to some degree by the Empire, the costs of sending the design plans for the Death Star would almost certainly have been beyond what the Rebels could have afforded.
The last system is the Holonet, which is also a cell-based system (using a series of satellites to boost signals though hyperspace). This system allows for near instantaneous communications between worlds even out to the edges of known space, but only covers the more developed worlds in the core systems and some of the more important worlds somewhat further out. The Holonet is, by the time of Ep IV if not prior to Ep III, controlled by the government and used exclusively by the military and government. (This is the system Vader used to talk to the Emperor in Ep V)
All ships have the first type of communications, and most decent sized civilian ships will also have the second type. Larger military ships usually have a holonet system as well, smaller ships rarely have this type of communication system as the equipment will usually cost several times more than the ship itself. Fighters and similar don't usually have a holonet system, although it does appear from several Expanded Universe sources that some holonet systems are small enough to be fitted to a Lamba-Class shuttle. Above that the smallest ship to be noted having a holonet system was a Corellian Corvette, which was considered unusual but apparently not unheard of.
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Post by the light works on Aug 26, 2014 15:59:09 GMT
The expanded universe indicates three types of communication systems. The most basic is radio, which is slower than light and used within individual star systems and between ships at close ranges. The second system is an FTL system similar to a cell phone network, in that a call is routed through different areas and carriers. Because messages are shifted through a lot of different systems and networks costs and transmission time vary. Broadband width is limited on this system, so it is not used for face to face or real time communications (unless you happen to be very close to whoever you are calling). Aside from the fact that most of these networks would likely be controlled to some degree by the Empire, the costs of sending the design plans for the Death Star would almost certainly have been beyond what the Rebels could have afforded. The last system is the Holonet, which is also a cell-based system (using a series of satellites to boost signals though hyperspace). This system allows for near instantaneous communications between worlds even out to the edges of known space, but only covers the more developed worlds in the core systems and some of the more important worlds somewhat further out. The Holonet is, by the time of Ep IV if not prior to Ep III, controlled by the government and used exclusively by the military and government. (This is the system Vader used to talk to the Emperor in Ep V) All ships have the first type of communications, and most decent sized civilian ships will also have the second type. Larger military ships usually have a holonet system as well, smaller ships rarely have this type of communication system as the equipment will usually cost several times more than the ship itself. Fighters and similar don't usually have a holonet system, although it does appear from several Expanded Universe sources that some holonet systems are small enough to be fitted to a Lamba-Class shuttle. Above that the smallest ship to be noted having a holonet system was a Corellian Corvette, which was considered unusual but apparently not unheard of. Leia's ship in episode IV WAS a corellian corvette - but as you said, it was not a secure network - also, I think Padme's ship did recieve a holographic transmission from Naboo - and it is smaller than the corvette.
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