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Post by ironhold on Jan 5, 2014 2:48:51 GMT
Cable Swing Myth:
1. If Luke had the grappling hook and cable with him as part of his basic kit, then perhaps he used it more often than we know back when he was on Tatooine. In this case, it's hypothetically possible that Luke was trained and experienced enough to make the throw on the first try.
2. As noted by one of the peeps on Twitter, Luke's a lot younger and arguably in better shape than Jamie. Perhaps a younger stunt performer might have better luck with the belt and with the carry?
Tauntaun Hypothermia:
1. I understand that the various equipment failures left them behind schedule, but they really should have done a control in which the "Luke" stand-in was left to experience the cold on its own in order to see how fast he'd lose body temperature under the circumstances without shielding.
2. Was it a snow cave that Han made? I seem to recall that it was more of a tent-like structure. If so, then perhaps a secondary test in which the team tries to construct a tent or other such portable shelter under inclement conditions similar to what Han went through.
Log Swing:
Would it even be vaguely safe to see if logs of such a size could be maneuvered into position using nothing more than brute muscle? The question was raised during the episode, but I'm not sure it could be done without putting the workers at risk.
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Post by the light works on Jan 5, 2014 5:42:56 GMT
1: the grappling hook was part of a stormtrooper utility belt. that doesn't mean that Luke was better at throwing hurling lines than Jamie. some of his throws looked like he was a lefty trying to throw with his right hand.
2: wearing the belt lower might have helped.
Tauntaun 1: I noticed in the first iteration the CC transcriptionist spelled "tauntaun" as "ton ton" as was mistakenly done in the idea board.
1: I agree. 2: I also understood it to be a premade shelter kit. however, the 2 hour window for the snow cave made pretty certain of it.
log: you just need more muscle.
my own thoughts:
sorry, Cyber - no Kari in the Leia dress. I have - as a younger person, supported my weight from other than proper harnesses. I though someone had made a reference that Adam's "tauntaun sleeping bag" comment could be considered ot be drawn from - but I couldn't find it. we were speculating that 10-15 minutes could be considered a good result - they got 2 hour without dropping Luke from mild to extreme hypothermia. they also - since they were monitoring blood temperature at the heart - didn't seem to register anything that could be considered thermal shock.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 5, 2014 17:44:09 GMT
We speculated that the shelter Han was talking about was probably a self-erecting emergency shelter, and as such could probably have been put up in five minutes or so - including the time needed to put in pegs to prevent the shelter from being blown away.
My ball park figures in this light were that anything over ten minutes should be a confirmed.
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 6, 2014 0:00:09 GMT
That was a fun episode.
To top it off, Spike TV is showing all the movies today.
Just saw the rope swing and Taunton sleeping bag.
I was genuinely surprised the rope swing worked that easily. I thought it would take more effort.
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Post by blazerrose on Jan 6, 2014 0:09:34 GMT
This episode was not deep on science, but it was sure fun. I smiled the whole way through.
As a kid I loved the SW movies (I'm the same age as Grant and Tory) so watching the team have fun testing these ideas was just a joy.
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Post by the light works on Jan 6, 2014 0:34:45 GMT
This episode was not deep on science, but it was sure fun. I smiled the whole way through. As a kid I loved the SW movies (I'm the same age as Grant and Tory) so watching the team have fun testing these ideas was just a joy. interestingly, I loved Star Wars, but never actually saw the movie until several years after it came out.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 6, 2014 1:23:42 GMT
Well, that was a good new years gift - if an inadvertent one. I wasn't old enough to see the first two films at the cinema first time around (I did see the special edition Episode IV at the cinema - I'm waiting for Disney to announce Star Wars 3D Special edition....) But I did manage to see it about 20 odd times by the time I was ten - the BBC aired it twice a year until about 1986, and someone else made the mistake of admitting to having it on VHS. So for the first time in a while I don't feel quite that old If this was as fun as everyone says, and I'd assume just as much fun if not more for the cast. Then you have to wonder if they'd like to make a sequel if they could find any other myths from the films that were testable? And no, I have NOT heard anything to indicate they are even thinking about a sequel before anyone asks or starts to think otherwise. Besides which, I think we covered every viable idea from all six films in the challenge thread already.
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Post by the light works on Jan 6, 2014 1:29:10 GMT
Well, that was a good new years gift - if an inadvertent one. I wasn't old enough to see the first two films at the cinema first time around (I did see the special edition Episode IV at the cinema - I'm waiting for Disney to announce Star Wars 3D Special edition....) But I did manage to see it about 20 odd times by the time I was ten - the BBC aired it twice a year until about 1986, and someone else made the mistake of admitting to having it on VHS. So for the first time in a while I don't feel quite that old If this was as fun as everyone says, and I'd assume just as much fun if not more for the cast. Then you have to wonder if they'd like to make a sequel if they could find any other myths from the films that were testable? And no, I have NOT heard anything to indicate they are even thinking about a sequel before anyone asks or starts to think otherwise. Besides which, I think we covered every viable idea from all six films in the challenge thread already. I bet if I rewatched the prequels, I could find some more. there HAVE to be some things we missed.
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Post by the light works on Jan 6, 2014 1:35:01 GMT
I think our local theatre wasn't open when they came out. (it had a hiatus back in the 70s) don't remember if I even had a chance to see Jedi in the theatre. then when they did the remastered releases, I saw the first two in the neighboring town and then they were shown in our hometown theatre - so I waited for Jedi and it wasn't shown here.
which means I might not have ever seen Return of the Jedi in the theatre...
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Post by User Unavailable on Jan 6, 2014 1:44:59 GMT
The Taun Taun got the results I expected, though it is obvious the guys have never gutted a fresh killed animal and have no concept of what a body being 70% water really means. They had WAY to much water* and not near enough solid bits. They were more near 99% percent water. Though the extra water mass made up for the fact that the "meat"/flesh of the Taun Taun wasn't also at body temp** when the test started. * the inside of a body isn't as "wet" and full of moisture as tv/movies make it out to be. Here is a video of a deer being gutted, that nicely demonstrates that the insides of an animal are a lot "drier" than most people think. ** even a couple hours after gutting out a deer for example, on a cold day, when you get the deer back to the house and begin to skin the carcass, "steam" will rise up from the meat as you expose it while cutting away the insulating hide. (This is why during warmer weather it is so important to skin game as quickly as possible, so more heat can be released from the meat, to slow spoilage as much as possible. -------------
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 6, 2014 1:48:59 GMT
I saw the first one at the Coronet Theater on Geary St. in San Francisco, in glorious 70mm and 6 track sound. It was, quite simply, the best venue I had ever seen. I had to wait in line through the first sold out showing, then was allowed to buy a ticket and wait in line for the second showing. Ended up having to sit about 7 rows back from the screen--which up until that time I thought was a bad seat. After seeing the final Death Star battle from that perspective, I now see all action films from about the third row. The Coronet has since been replaced by a Senior Center. I saw SW:TESB at the Northpoint Theater, also in SF, and 70mm. It's now a parking lot. ROTJ I saw back at the Coronet. It was still the best seat in town. Here's what the scene looked like back then:
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Post by Antigone68104 on Jan 6, 2014 1:53:06 GMT
Overall a good episode, though there was a bit of padding. (The 501st didn't really contribute anything that I saw, unless hiring them helped get the rights to the film clips.) {Note; The 501st Legion is not affiliated with Lucasarts or Disney, being an organization of SW fans. It is possible that they looked into testing how useful the StormTrooper armour would really be, in which case the 501st would have been a good place to have started looking for information. Or more likely they added the troopers to make things look more interesting than swinging through an empty warehouse - and of course they could use footage of the troopers for the adverts - CM}
I always thought the grappling hook was stormtrooper gear, not Luke's. While Tatooine had its share of rugged terrain, it's probably safe to assume Uncle Owen did his best to keep Luke busy on the farm, not climbing mountains. Though in-universe, it's possible that Luke subconsciously used the Force to make the hook catch.
Mark Hamill might have been lighter than Jamie, but that belt's still going to slide up under the ribs. (IIRC, he or his stunt double actually used a harness.) {The stunt was done by Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher for real. They did the swing in a single take- CM}
I wonder if they didn't do a hypothermia control on the grounds that they'd already tested Thermo-Buster and hypothermia on the Titanic special? If so, it would have been nice to cut R2D2 wolf-whistling at Kari and some of the other padding, and use a clip from that test in the freed-up time.
There was no way to test whether Ewoks have the muscle and pulley rigs to move those logs -- I suspect that scene was in the original script, set on the Wookie home planet. But it did far more damage to the armored car than I was expecting.
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 6, 2014 2:12:44 GMT
Every episode, especially one dealing with movie myths, has a certain theatrical flair.
They always cutesy up the various test rigs, adding costumes to Buster, etc., just to make it look better on TV.
I think the 501st did add a bit to the show in terms of setting the mood. Was in necessary? No, of course not, but it did dress up the stunt. Otherwise, it's simply two people swinging from a rope. Not too exciting, that way.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 6, 2014 2:45:26 GMT
If you want to do that go ahead. Just keep in mind that most of the 'stunts' were being performed by characters who were Jedi - and hence get rejected on the 'Force or Technology' argument.
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Post by User Unavailable on Jan 6, 2014 2:50:09 GMT
I always thought the grappling hook was stormtrooper gear, not Luke's. While Tatooine had its share of rugged terrain, it's probably safe to assume Uncle Owen did his best to keep Luke busy on the farm, not climbing mountains. Though in-universe, it's possible that Luke subconsciously used the Force to make the hook catch. Mark Hamill might have been lighter than Jamie, but that belt's still going to slide up under the ribs. (IIRC, he or his stunt double actually used a harness.) . Yeah, I always thought he got that belt from a trooper as well. Why might a Stormtrooper be carrying a grapple and small line that is useless for climbing? Well, for the same reason troops here is this universe carry grapples attached to ropes to small to climb with. Clearing/breaching obstacles and/or trip wires/mine fields and raising/lowering equipment/supplies. You don't use your climbing ropes for such tasks as it it inflicts wear and tear on your climbing ropes that you don't want inflicted to something that literally has to hold your life in its strength and structural integrity. The sliding up under the ribs issue, could be lessened by how snug the belt fits as well as by taking a wrap around the arm to provide additional support against slippage down the rope.
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Post by blazerrose on Jan 6, 2014 3:36:55 GMT
I always thought the grappling hook was stormtrooper gear, not Luke's. While Tatooine had its share of rugged terrain, it's probably safe to assume Uncle Owen did his best to keep Luke busy on the farm, not climbing mountains. Though in-universe, it's possible that Luke subconsciously used the Force to make the hook catch. Mark Hamill might have been lighter than Jamie, but that belt's still going to slide up under the ribs. (IIRC, he or his stunt double actually used a harness.) . Yeah, I always thought he got that belt from a trooper as well. Why might a Stormtrooper be carrying a grapple and small line that is useless for climbing? Well, for the same reason troops here is this universe carry grapples attached to ropes to small to climb with. Clearing/breaching obstacles and/or trip wires/mine fields and raising/lowering equipment/supplies. You don't use your climbing ropes for such tasks as it it inflicts wear and tear on your climbing ropes that you don't want inflicted to something that literally has to hold your life in its strength and structural integrity. The sliding up under the ribs issue, could be lessened by how snug the belt fits as well as by taking a wrap around the arm to provide additional support against slippage down the rope. Thought he stole them off the stormtrooper right after they started wandering around the ship. :S FWIW - I was surprised to find out Mark Hamill was my size when they filmed Star Wars. I had no idea he was so small for a stormtrooper. LOL
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 6, 2014 4:21:15 GMT
Didn't he keep the belt after they dumped the suits after escaping the trash compactor?
I'm pretty sure he wasn't wearing that belt in the Falcon...
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Post by blazerrose on Jan 6, 2014 4:27:24 GMT
Darn, I might have to rewatch the movie.
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Post by User Unavailable on Jan 6, 2014 4:29:24 GMT
Note, I edited in a link to a video, in my earlier post. It demonstrates nicely, that the insides of an animals guts are not a sodden mess like tv and movies depict. Animal insides are rather "dry". Yes, it is of a deer being gutted, but it isn't very gross and fairly educational.
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Post by the light works on Jan 6, 2014 4:35:25 GMT
If you want to do that go ahead. Just keep in mind that most of the 'stunts' were being performed by characters who were Jedi - and hence get rejected on the 'Force or Technology' argument. do I LOOK like someone with far too much time on my hands?
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