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Post by the light works on May 24, 2014 15:02:21 GMT
Exactly, although individual cast members may feel that they could do things blindfolded and be willing to try. Personally I think you might have the right idea in getting the cast to give each other tasks to try out, since this would prevent them from cheating and practising prior to filming as they wouldn't have any warning as to what they will be 'tested' on. That and the fact that they get to more or less challenge each other, which I think would be fun for them. And as we've seen in the past, what's fun for the cast usually translates into fun for the viewers. definite correlation, there... |
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Post by silverdragon on May 25, 2014 11:03:38 GMT
Data entry.
Someone mentioned data entry, and would you be able to do it blindfold....
I have tried this, it doesnt work.
The unique abilities of the human mind is that it is able to spot anomalies far quicker than any machine.
Our findings were ...
If you star data entry and can not check for mistakes, you slow down, and make MORE mistakes.
The person doing the data entry gets "Confused" , and will even forget where the enter key is....
Even if they are allowed to look at a separate keyboard whilst typing, they will start to "Feel" for the keys.
Hand to eye coordination is a two way street, take away one, the other doesnt work as well.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on May 25, 2014 14:02:14 GMT
Data entry. Someone mentioned data entry, and would you be able to do it blindfold.... I have tried this, it doesnt work. The unique abilities of the human mind is that it is able to spot anomalies far quicker than any machine. Our findings were ... If you star data entry and can not check for mistakes, you slow down, and make MORE mistakes. The person doing the data entry gets "Confused" , and will even forget where the enter key is.... Even if they are allowed to look at a separate keyboard whilst typing, they will start to "Feel" for the keys. Hand to eye coordination is a two way street, take away one, the other doesnt work as well. Um I hate to say it but yes it can be done Dragon. I don't mean to brag here but I can type 'blindfolded' - I had to do so as practice for a typing test. Let me explain - ten years ago I took a computer course & among other things we had to learn to do was touch typing. We had to get 40 words per minute & have a 98% accuracy in order to pass. As part of the training for the final test the teacher had us do typing blindfolded. Since during the final test we weren't 'allowed' to look at the keyboard. This was all done about 10 years ago mind you, so my typing speed has dropped down to 30 word per minute since then (& my accuracy is roughly at about 90%) as I don't type all the time. |
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on May 25, 2014 14:05:02 GMT
That and the fact that they get to more or less challenge each other, which I think would be fun for them. And as we've seen in the past, what's fun for the cast usually translates into fun for the viewers. definite correlation, there... Oh yes that is a given - not to mention a VERY good idea.  I love it when they pick things that make each other 'squirm'!  |
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Post by OziRiS on May 25, 2014 20:28:25 GMT
definite correlation, there... Oh yes that is a given - not to mention a VERY good idea. I love it when they pick things that make each other 'squirm'! Ever notice how Jamie always goes: "I hate these competitions." and then puts on a happy little smirk that he tries to cover up whenever he ends up completely creaming Adam and going: "Well, I guess that means I win..."? Yeah, he hates competitions... Right up until the point where he wins |
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Post by the light works on May 25, 2014 20:39:16 GMT
Just because he's enjoys winning, doesn't necessarily mean he enjoys doing whatever silly thing Adam has come up with for him to do.
but he does have a particular character he plays for the show, and it is somewhat likely he is a bit less sullen off camera.
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Post by Cybermortis on May 25, 2014 21:48:09 GMT
Actually one constant comment I've heard about the cast is that what you see on screen is what they are like in real life. Sure, they probably do act up slightly for the camera, but the base personality is what you see on TV.
From which I can only imagine Mrs Savage is a saint....
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Post by the light works on May 25, 2014 22:21:20 GMT
Actually one constant comment I've heard about the cast is that what you see on screen is what they are like in real life. Sure, they probably do act up slightly for the camera, but the base personality is what you see on TV. From which I can only imagine Mrs Savage is a saint.... well, you'll remember there was the missing eyebrow date. |
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Post by silverdragon on May 26, 2014 7:08:27 GMT
Data entry. Someone mentioned data entry, and would you be able to do it blindfold.... I have tried this, it doesnt work. The unique abilities of the human mind is that it is able to spot anomalies far quicker than any machine. Our findings were ... If you star data entry and can not check for mistakes, you slow down, and make MORE mistakes. The person doing the data entry gets "Confused" , and will even forget where the enter key is.... Even if they are allowed to look at a separate keyboard whilst typing, they will start to "Feel" for the keys. Hand to eye coordination is a two way street, take away one, the other doesnt work as well. Um I hate to say it but yes it can be done Dragon. I don't mean to brag here but I can type 'blindfolded' - I had to do so as practice for a typing test. Let me explain - ten years ago I took a computer course & among other things we had to learn to do was touch typing. We had to get 40 words per minute & have a 98% accuracy in order to pass. As part of the training for the final test the teacher had us do typing blindfolded. Since during the final test we weren't 'allowed' to look at the keyboard. This was all done about 10 years ago mind you, so my typing speed has dropped down to 30 word per minute since then (& my accuracy is roughly at about 90%) as I don't type all the time. Can you be "trained" to do it?.... Confirmed. Can you just take someone who has never tried it and expect the same results as sighted typing?... That does not work. I am pointing out that you cannot just do that "With your eyes shut" without some form of specialised training?.... |
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Post by OziRiS on May 26, 2014 9:17:55 GMT
Can you be "trained" to do it?.... Confirmed. Can you just take someone who has never tried it and expect the same results as sighted typing?... That does not work. I am pointing out that you cannot just do that "With your eyes shut" without some form of specialised training?.... You're right, but isn't the term usually used by people who claim they've done something so many times that it's something they can do without breaking a sweat? As in, person A asks person B if they can perform a certain task and person B goes: "Please! I can do that with my eyes closed!" and possibly adding: "...with one hand tied behind my back!", just to thoroughly demonstrate how easy he thinks this is. If we're questioning the validity of an idiom we have to test it under the circumstances where it's normally used. Going off on some self-invented tangent won't prove or disprove anything beyond the fact that we've missed the point of the idiom. |
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Post by Cybermortis on May 26, 2014 10:16:58 GMT
Can you be "trained" to do it?.... Confirmed. Can you just take someone who has never tried it and expect the same results as sighted typing?... That does not work. I am pointing out that you cannot just do that "With your eyes shut" without some form of specialised training?.... You're right, but isn't the term usually used by people who claim they've done something so many times that it's something they can do without breaking a sweat? As in, person A asks person B if they can perform a certain task and person B goes: "Please! I can do that with my eyes closed!" and possibly adding: "...with one hand tied behind my back!", just to thoroughly demonstrate how easy he thinks this is. If we're questioning the validity of an idiom we have to test it under the circumstances where it's normally used. Going off on some self-invented tangent won't prove or disprove anything beyond the fact that we've missed the point of the idiom. You are correct in how the saying is normally used. As this is usually used to indicate how easy someone thinks a task will be for them, rather than indicating that they have been specifically trained to perform that task without sight - and as has been noted there is a question as to how much we really use our sight to aid in tasks, even when we think we are not looking. Guitar players are a good example, in that I'd guess most professionals would claim that they don't look at the fretboard when playing. But if you watch footage of professionals playing they do tend to glance at the guitar, and simply may not be consciously aware that they did so. I like the addition of 'One hand behind my back'. Might be a nice follow on from the OP, maybe immobilise one of their arms for a day and follow them around to see how they manage. It is, of course, quite possible to learn how to do everyday tasks one armed. But it takes quite some time, certainly longer than any of the cast could attempt to do so if they were in a cheating mood. |
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Post by OziRiS on May 26, 2014 11:15:47 GMT
You're right, but isn't the term usually used by people who claim they've done something so many times that it's something they can do without breaking a sweat? As in, person A asks person B if they can perform a certain task and person B goes: "Please! I can do that with my eyes closed!" and possibly adding: "...with one hand tied behind my back!", just to thoroughly demonstrate how easy he thinks this is. If we're questioning the validity of an idiom we have to test it under the circumstances where it's normally used. Going off on some self-invented tangent won't prove or disprove anything beyond the fact that we've missed the point of the idiom. You are correct in how the saying is normally used. As this is usually used to indicate how easy someone thinks a task will be for them, rather than indicating that they have been specifically trained to perform that task without sight - and as has been noted there is a question as to how much we really use our sight to aid in tasks, even when we think we are not looking. Guitar players are a good example, in that I'd guess most professionals would claim that they don't look at the fretboard when playing. But if you watch footage of professionals playing they do tend to glance at the guitar, and simply may not be consciously aware that they did so. I like the addition of 'One hand behind my back'. Might be a nice follow on from the OP, maybe immobilise one of their arms for a day and follow them around to see how they manage. It is, of course, quite possible to learn how to do everyday tasks one armed. But it takes quite some time, certainly longer than any of the cast could attempt to do so if they were in a cheating mood. Granted, some people will use the idiom without actually knowing with any certainty if they can actually perform the task with their eyes closed. That's also why I proposed the challenge for the cast. I believe some of them (IRRC, mostly Adam) have used the idiom on camera before, but I can't come up with a specific reference at the moment. As we've already noted, some things can actually be done with your eyes closed or while wearing a blindfold, so the myth is not whether or not it's at all possible, but rather if people's own perception of being able to do this is as accurate as they think. So, it becomes more of a data collection with multiple claims being tested over time (someone uses the idiom and is immediately challenged to actually do it) and the average result then pointing toward how often that statement is actually correct. What we should en up with is a guideline for how often you need to think before you speak, or risk being challenged and proven wrong. |
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Post by the light works on May 26, 2014 13:43:14 GMT
You are correct in how the saying is normally used. As this is usually used to indicate how easy someone thinks a task will be for them, rather than indicating that they have been specifically trained to perform that task without sight - and as has been noted there is a question as to how much we really use our sight to aid in tasks, even when we think we are not looking. Guitar players are a good example, in that I'd guess most professionals would claim that they don't look at the fretboard when playing. But if you watch footage of professionals playing they do tend to glance at the guitar, and simply may not be consciously aware that they did so. I like the addition of 'One hand behind my back'. Might be a nice follow on from the OP, maybe immobilise one of their arms for a day and follow them around to see how they manage. It is, of course, quite possible to learn how to do everyday tasks one armed. But it takes quite some time, certainly longer than any of the cast could attempt to do so if they were in a cheating mood. Granted, some people will use the idiom without actually knowing with any certainty if they can actually perform the task with their eyes closed. That's also why I proposed the challenge for the cast. I believe some of them (IRRC, mostly Adam) have used the idiom on camera before, but I can't come up with a specific reference at the moment. As we've already noted, some things can actually be done with your eyes closed or while wearing a blindfold, so the myth is not whether or not it's at all possible, but rather if people's own perception of being able to do this is as accurate as they think. So, it becomes more of a data collection with multiple claims being tested over time (someone uses the idiom and is immediately challenged to actually do it) and the average result then pointing toward how often that statement is actually correct. What we should en up with is a guideline for how often you need to think before you speak, or risk being challenged and proven wrong. I think you're on to something: the simple idiom test. test ALL the idioms about how good you are at something or how easy it is. might be a season long project to film, though. personally, I would suspect Adam would be the one doing the most outlandish tests; because I see him as the most likely to make outlandish use of the claims. |
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on May 26, 2014 14:45:02 GMT
You're right, but isn't the term usually used by people who claim they've done something so many times that it's something they can do without breaking a sweat? As in, person A asks person B if they can perform a certain task and person B goes: "Please! I can do that with my eyes closed!" and possibly adding: "...with one hand tied behind my back!", just to thoroughly demonstrate how easy he thinks this is. If we're questioning the validity of an idiom we have to test it under the circumstances where it's normally used. Going off on some self-invented tangent won't prove or disprove anything beyond the fact that we've missed the point of the idiom. You are correct in how the saying is normally used. As this is usually used to indicate how easy someone thinks a task will be for them, rather than indicating that they have been specifically trained to perform that task without sight - and as has been noted there is a question as to how much we really use our sight to aid in tasks, even when we think we are not looking. Guitar players are a good example, in that I'd guess most professionals would claim that they don't look at the fretboard when playing. But if you watch footage of professionals playing they do tend to glance at the guitar, and simply may not be consciously aware that they did so. I like the addition of 'One hand behind my back'. Might be a nice follow on from the OP, maybe immobilise one of their arms for a day and follow them around to see how they manage. It is, of course, quite possible to learn how to do everyday tasks one armed. But it takes quite some time, certainly longer than any of the cast could attempt to do so if they were in a cheating mood. A few years ago I dislocated my shoulder in a car accident (bloody drunk drivers!  ) & doing things one handed is HADES! Especially going to the loo!  But after six weeks I got to be quite good at it, not that that's anything to brag about. |
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on May 26, 2014 14:46:53 GMT
Granted, some people will use the idiom without actually knowing with any certainty if they can actually perform the task with their eyes closed. That's also why I proposed the challenge for the cast. I believe some of them (IRRC, mostly Adam) have used the idiom on camera before, but I can't come up with a specific reference at the moment. As we've already noted, some things can actually be done with your eyes closed or while wearing a blindfold, so the myth is not whether or not it's at all possible, but rather if people's own perception of being able to do this is as accurate as they think. So, it becomes more of a data collection with multiple claims being tested over time (someone uses the idiom and is immediately challenged to actually do it) and the average result then pointing toward how often that statement is actually correct. What we should en up with is a guideline for how often you need to think before you speak, or risk being challenged and proven wrong. I think you're on to something: the simple idiom test. test ALL the idioms about how good you are at something or how easy it is. might be a season long project to film, though. personally, I would suspect Adam would be the one doing the most outlandish tests; because I see him as the most likely to make outlandish use of the claims. True - Adam would make the most outlandish, but I'll bet Jamie would be the most successful of the Mythbuster in completing the assigned task. |
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on May 26, 2014 14:53:06 GMT
Um I hate to say it but yes it can be done Dragon. I don't mean to brag here but I can type 'blindfolded' - I had to do so as practice for a typing test. Let me explain - ten years ago I took a computer course & among other things we had to learn to do was touch typing. We had to get 40 words per minute & have a 98% accuracy in order to pass. As part of the training for the final test the teacher had us do typing blindfolded. Since during the final test we weren't 'allowed' to look at the keyboard. This was all done about 10 years ago mind you, so my typing speed has dropped down to 30 word per minute since then (& my accuracy is roughly at about 90%) as I don't type all the time. Can you be "trained" to do it?.... Confirmed. Can you just take someone who has never tried it and expect the same results as sighted typing?... That does not work. I am pointing out that you cannot just do that "With your eyes shut" without some form of specialised training?.... I wasn't as such 'trained' to type blindfolded, it was just by that stage we were meant to be so 'good' at typing that in theory we had no need to look at the keyboard - the blindfold was meant to be more of a 'competency test' than 'training'. What I was trying to say is that with any task that that you repeatedly do you learn muscle memory. Hence the claim that a person might make about being able to do it with their eyes closed because of this. |
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Post by the light works on May 26, 2014 14:53:29 GMT
I think you're on to something: the simple idiom test. test ALL the idioms about how good you are at something or how easy it is. might be a season long project to film, though. personally, I would suspect Adam would be the one doing the most outlandish tests; because I see him as the most likely to make outlandish use of the claims. True - Adam would make the most outlandish, but I'll bet Jamie would be the most successful of the Mythbuster in completing the assigned task. I am having mental images of Adam trying to operate something that REQUIRES two hands, one handed. and saying something to the effect of "me and my big mouth" |
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Post by the light works on May 26, 2014 14:55:02 GMT
You are correct in how the saying is normally used. As this is usually used to indicate how easy someone thinks a task will be for them, rather than indicating that they have been specifically trained to perform that task without sight - and as has been noted there is a question as to how much we really use our sight to aid in tasks, even when we think we are not looking. Guitar players are a good example, in that I'd guess most professionals would claim that they don't look at the fretboard when playing. But if you watch footage of professionals playing they do tend to glance at the guitar, and simply may not be consciously aware that they did so. I like the addition of 'One hand behind my back'. Might be a nice follow on from the OP, maybe immobilise one of their arms for a day and follow them around to see how they manage. It is, of course, quite possible to learn how to do everyday tasks one armed. But it takes quite some time, certainly longer than any of the cast could attempt to do so if they were in a cheating mood. A few years ago I dislocated my shoulder in a car accident (bloody drunk drivers! ) & doing things one handed is HADES! Especially going to the loo! a guy I know fell off a ladder while cleaning his gutters, and broke BOTH arms... |
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on May 26, 2014 14:58:59 GMT
A few years ago I dislocated my shoulder in a car accident (bloody drunk drivers! ) & doing things one handed is HADES! Especially going to the loo! a guy I know fell off a ladder while cleaning his gutters, and broke BOTH arms... Poor bug with a Ger!  But then again if it was a result of his own stupidity by not following the proper safety procedures, he got what was coming to him. |
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Post by the light works on May 26, 2014 15:03:27 GMT
a guy I know fell off a ladder while cleaning his gutters, and broke BOTH arms... Poor bug with a Ger! But then again if it was a result of his own stupidity by not following the proper safety procedures, he got what was coming to him. I'm not sure exactly how much of his bad luck was his own fault, but the poor guy seemed to have a disproportionately large amount of it. really nice guy - and tried very hard, but Mr. Murphy seemed to have it in for him. |
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I love it when they pick things that make each other 'squirm'! 
) & doing things one handed is HADES! Especially going to the loo! 
But after six weeks I got to be quite good at it, not that that's anything to brag about.
But then again if it was a result of his own stupidity by not following the proper safety procedures, he got what was coming to him.