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Post by the light works on Aug 28, 2014 2:11:58 GMT
We'd have issues with showing game footage on TV, which may lead to licensing issues that Discovery and Beyond would rather not deal with. The only way around it (aside from a ridiculous amount of careful camera work & editing) would be to commission games for the episode, but that could get expensive and require a fair amount of lead time. Discovery & Beyond might get some of that money back by later making the games available for purchase, but there's no guarantee they'd earn it all back. it would be fairly easy to simply screen the monitor from the camera. - or if you made a purpose built game, you could commission a fairly simple one-trick pony pretty cheaply.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 28, 2014 8:35:23 GMT
Racing games make drivers competitive, True or False.....
For me its a tricky subject, I have raced real life, it calmed me down being able to take it to the track... But there is no reset in real life. Crashing hurts. No it REALLY hurts....
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 28, 2014 10:49:47 GMT
We'd have issues with showing game footage on TV, which may lead to licensing issues that Discovery and Beyond would rather not deal with. The only way around it (aside from a ridiculous amount of careful camera work & editing) would be to commission games for the episode, but that could get expensive and require a fair amount of lead time. Discovery & Beyond might get some of that money back by later making the games available for purchase, but there's no guarantee they'd earn it all back. it would be fairly easy to simply screen the monitor from the camera. - or if you made a purpose built game, you could commission a fairly simple one-trick pony pretty cheaply. I know the games industry a little better that I probably should; In terms of TV practicality would require the use of a console, they could probably get or hire out a couple of last gen consoles on their budget without serious problems. Where the problems start would be that they either have to hide anything which could identify the console or get dragged into the console wars that are currently raging. Microsoft and Sony might well be happy to loan them consoles for the show, but they would either want a shoutout or at least want their logo to appear on screen. As this would smack of product placement MB would not want to do this, and cutting out footage from which a console could be identified would leave them about two seconds worth of footage they could show - the rest being kids sitting their looking at a TV screen. PC and mobile games are unsuitable for TV, because the screen is too small and there is no way you could show someone playing a game without them being aware that someone was standing over them pointing a camera in their direction. You'd also, likewise, have problems with product placement as tablets and phones usually have makers logos on the front. PC's wouldn't have the same problem with product placement, but would have problems in regards space and costs. As for the games themselves, you'd be talking about a few million $ at least and a minimum of 12 months development time for a console title. So making their own (or hiring someone to make one) is out of the question. That means having to use an existing game, and again that ends up having to get permission and coming over as product placement (even if this is an older title). I suspect that games myths are more or less 'banned' from MB, simply due to the practicality of making such a show production wise, and what footage they would end up with. Watching someone play a game when you can't show the controller or screen would be less interesting than showing Adam filling out his tax returns.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 28, 2014 11:55:26 GMT
it would be fairly easy to simply screen the monitor from the camera. - or if you made a purpose built game, you could commission a fairly simple one-trick pony pretty cheaply. I know the games industry a little better that I probably should; In terms of TV practicality would require the use of a console, they could probably get or hire out a couple of last gen consoles on their budget without serious problems. Where the problems start would be that they either have to hide anything which could identify the console or get dragged into the console wars that are currently raging. Microsoft and Sony might well be happy to loan them consoles for the show, but they would either want a shoutout or at least want their logo to appear on screen. As this would smack of product placement MB would not want to do this, and cutting out footage from which a console could be identified would leave them about two seconds worth of footage they could show - the rest being kids sitting their looking at a TV screen. PC and mobile games are unsuitable for TV, because the screen is too small and there is no way you could show someone playing a game without them being aware that someone was standing over them pointing a camera in their direction. You'd also, likewise, have problems with product placement as tablets and phones usually have makers logos on the front. PC's wouldn't have the same problem with product placement, but would have problems in regards space and costs. As for the games themselves, you'd be talking about a few million $ at least and a minimum of 12 months development time for a console title. So making their own (or hiring someone to make one) is out of the question. That means having to use an existing game, and again that ends up having to get permission and coming over as product placement (even if this is an older title). I suspect that games myths are more or less 'banned' from MB, simply due to the practicality of making such a show production wise, and what footage they would end up with. Watching someone play a game when you can't show the controller or screen would be less interesting than showing Adam filling out his tax returns. Considering how much research money goes into effectively demonizing the gaming industry, don't you think they could get a game manufacturer to go along with them using one of their consoles and possibly a game that never did and never will make it to market without needing a shout out, just to (for once) get an unbiased test? Use after market controllers with no identifying markers on them, or just possibly keep them out of the shots and you're set. I'm not saying it's THE solution, but if they're interested in doing video game myths at all, it might be a suggestion that could work for them. After all, all the biased testing that's going on has the potential to greatly harm the industry. If MB could once and for all contradict the biased "research", then it's a huge win for game manufacturers. If MB confirms some of it, manufacturers will have some solid evidence to go by and could very well be the first to develop a game that no one can place a finger on for "destroying the youth", so it's potentially win/win for them.
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Post by the light works on Aug 28, 2014 14:35:29 GMT
or just say at the beginning "this (or these) console manufacturer(s) have graciously lent us consoles for this test, and this game maker has lent us their game for this test." or words to that effect.
after all, what we are testing is whether mashing buttons translates to driving or shooting skills.
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Post by the light works on Aug 28, 2014 14:36:04 GMT
Racing games make drivers competitive, True or False..... For me its a tricky subject, I have raced real life, it calmed me down being able to take it to the track... But there is no reset in real life. Crashing hurts. No it REALLY hurts.... false. I was driving competitively way before I was playing racing games.
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Post by ironhold on Aug 28, 2014 15:38:57 GMT
I'm wondering now if the team might convince an indie game developer to let them have a "still-in-development" game for the purposes of the show. I'd imagine that such companies would love the (likely reduced) amount of money they'd receive as royalties.
As far as screens go, is it possible to hook up a tower to a flat-screen? (I haven't tried to hook up a computer to a television of any sort since I had my old Commodore 64 using a cable-ready black & white television as a monitor, and so I honestly don't know if it is or isn't possible these days.)
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Post by the light works on Aug 28, 2014 15:51:41 GMT
I'm wondering now if the team might convince an indie game developer to let them have a "still-in-development" game for the purposes of the show. I'd imagine that such companies would love the (likely reduced) amount of money they'd receive as royalties. As far as screens go, is it possible to hook up a tower to a flat-screen? (I haven't tried to hook up a computer to a television of any sort since I had my old Commodore 64 using a cable-ready black & white television as a monitor, and so I honestly don't know if it is or isn't possible these days.) absolutely. my church drives two 60" flat screens with the VGA out on a computer. outside of service times, the pastor's nephew occasionally uses the system to play games.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 28, 2014 17:53:15 GMT
I'm wondering now if the team might convince an indie game developer to let them have a "still-in-development" game for the purposes of the show. I'd imagine that such companies would love the (likely reduced) amount of money they'd receive as royalties. As far as screens go, is it possible to hook up a tower to a flat-screen? (I haven't tried to hook up a computer to a television of any sort since I had my old Commodore 64 using a cable-ready black & white television as a monitor, and so I honestly don't know if it is or isn't possible these days.) absolutely. my church drives two 60" flat screens with the VGA out on a computer. outside of service times, the pastor's nephew occasionally uses the system to play games. And I've hooked up my PC to my 42" screen in the living room with an HDMI cable on several occasions. Not at all difficult.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 28, 2014 18:34:42 GMT
Seriously, I don't think video gaming is a viable topic for MB. Not because of the controversial angle but because it is too difficult on so many levels to end up with anything interesting to use.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 28, 2014 19:16:44 GMT
Seriously, I don't think video gaming is a viable topic for MB. Not because of the controversial angle but because it is too difficult on so many levels to end up with anything interesting to use. Applying that logic, you could also say the myth about a passenger landing an airplane was difficult and uninteresting. After all, all they did was sit in a simulator, but they did it anyway and it was a good episode. What I'm trying to say is, let's not kill off ideas just because we see them as difficult to test. We're not the ones doing the testing.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 28, 2014 20:40:39 GMT
What makes you think my Bothan hasn't said anything about video game myths...?
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Post by the light works on Aug 28, 2014 23:14:10 GMT
Seriously, I don't think video gaming is a viable topic for MB. Not because of the controversial angle but because it is too difficult on so many levels to end up with anything interesting to use. Applying that logic, you could also say the myth about a passenger landing an airplane was difficult and uninteresting. After all, all they did was sit in a simulator, but they did it anyway and it was a good episode. What I'm trying to say is, let's not kill off ideas just because we see them as difficult to test. We're not the ones doing the testing. well, in this circumstance, I don't see it as easy - and I'm the one who thought of it; but it is in the scroll and if they decide they are interested, they can pick it up.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 28, 2014 23:36:03 GMT
What makes you think my Bothan hasn't said anything about video game myths...? Nothing makes me think that. Your Bothan can say anything he/she wants, but the fact remains that if it turns out to be interesting enough for someone on the team to pick it up and run with it, that's what they'll do and I don't really see why we can't discuss the testing possibilities just in case. Who knows? One of us may come up with the one angle that suddenly makes it viable territory for them to go into. That's what we're here for, isn't it?
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Post by Lokifan on Aug 29, 2014 1:47:17 GMT
As much as I'm loving the sharing of parental experiences and advice and wouldn't mind continuing, we're starting to clog up the thread with off topic chatter. Maybe we should start a 'Kids and Parents' thread somewhere, move the last couple of posts there and continue? Loki? Cyber? Sounds good. I'll create a "Kids and Parents" thread in the Water Cooler. EDIT: I think I got them all. I didn't move every thread because some were myth-y. Please report any I mythedmissed.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 29, 2014 9:53:39 GMT
Racing games make drivers competitive, True or False..... For me its a tricky subject, I have raced real life, it calmed me down being able to take it to the track... But there is no reset in real life. Crashing hurts. No it REALLY hurts.... false. I was driving competitively way before I was playing racing games. Thats the problem here with people like you and me TLW, We have driven "Competitively", we took it to the track, we did it properly, we learnt, you only get one chance. You have to also ask a child that grew up playing Forza/Burnourt/Need-for-speed/etc before they even drove a car and now has a full licence. How did they experience driving.... Then compare the two.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 29, 2014 9:58:49 GMT
One of my kids who is not yet old enough to hold a Driving licence has taken a Mock theory test .... for driving... and passed. 99% is a good score. They took the test several times to make sure it wasnt a fluke, and didnt drop below 98% at any point.
They used the Internet to find and learn theory of driving... But they have never actually driven any road going vehicle.
Therefore, Electronic media is useful for learning stuff.
On the theory test I took last, they had just introduced Hazard Perception tests via a video console. The idea was they would play a video and you click the mouse on the hazard.... I brokeded the machine.... They had to explain it was the main hazard that appeared and not every potential hazard I could see..... Well, if you ask me to spot hazards, I am going to tell you every one I can see, right?....
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Post by the light works on Aug 29, 2014 14:42:54 GMT
false. I was driving competitively way before I was playing racing games. Thats the problem here with people like you and me TLW, We have driven "Competitively", we took it to the track, we did it properly, we learnt, you only get one chance. You have to also ask a child that grew up playing Forza/Burnourt/Need-for-speed/etc before they even drove a car and now has a full licence. How did they experience driving.... Then compare the two. YOU took it to the track... I paid a pretty penny in velocity taxes.
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Post by the light works on Aug 29, 2014 14:45:03 GMT
On the theory test I took last, they had just introduced Hazard Perception tests via a video console. The idea was they would play a video and you click the mouse on the hazard.... I brokeded the machine.... They had to explain it was the main hazard that appeared and not every potential hazard I could see..... Well, if you ask me to spot hazards, I am going to tell you every one I can see, right?.... Hm. would a person with ADD do better or worse at that than a person without? I'm curious.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 31, 2014 11:17:35 GMT
On the theory test I took last, they had just introduced Hazard Perception tests via a video console. The idea was they would play a video and you click the mouse on the hazard.... I brokeded the machine.... They had to explain it was the main hazard that appeared and not every potential hazard I could see..... Well, if you ask me to spot hazards, I am going to tell you every one I can see, right?.... Hm. would a person with ADD do better or worse at that than a person without? I'm curious. Depends on their interest level with driving. If they have a fascination with all things transport, the pass rate is guaranteed. If they are still at "My liklle pony", forget it. With any sort of Autistic learning difficulty, its more getting them to want to focus, when they have an interest, they will self-focus, but if its something the just dont want to do, you may as well try to plat fog?... When they say "I dont want to do that", unless you have a solid argument back, you lost it there and then. Its best to practise you arguments beforehand as well, as they will pick holes in anything you say....
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