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Post by silverdragon on Aug 21, 2014 7:50:21 GMT
Anonymous. What does it take to be anon?... can we all do it?... This idea is being born of seeing something elsewhere on the forum, and got me to thinking, can a "Star" just walk around completely unseen. I know someone overly famous (Musician by trade)(Bloody good one...) who rides Bike, just because they can, and more importantly, they can then ride along without anyone at all recognising them. So paranoid are they that they keep a range of differing bike clothing and bikes to "Mix it up" a little... But they have yet to be recognised..... So, of course, Bike riding (The Motorcycle kind) is out, we already know that is a perfect disguise.... But what kind of disguise level would be needed. Would the Walrus moustache give Jamie away?... Amongst Friends?... This would also give the perfect reason for guest appearances on the show, if anyone is willing?.... Plus side challenge, can Adam and Jamie get "walk on" parts on other shows without us noticing?... And no that cant be the late late late nigh failed DJ does lame talk show that no one watches show, it has to be a guest appearance on something that has a wide audience... you know, the CSI thing they did... can the repeat that and see is "Fans" notice?... Can the whole crew do that as well, say Tori Grant and Kari do something?.. not together of course, that would be too easy. Film now for a show aired in 12 months time, see if fans catch the initial showing, the repeat, or is "Social media" is the key. No Spoilers... no leeks.... I wonder if any of them are ready to be greenhorn on Time Bandit?.... no, cant do that, thats cruel torture innit?.... (I nominate Adam.... cure his sea sickness once and for all?...  honest Adam, just Joking there...) Can we all do it bit.... Right, take one of the crew, one we dont see that much on camera, and put them in disguise. Can they walk into their usual bar, one where they are known well, where they have friends, and not be spotted?... Can the average person hide from their friends in plain site just be changing clothing?.... No I cant do that. Biker shape is for life, being over 6ft takes some disguise, I am often the tallest person in the room, you cant change that easily.... |
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 21, 2014 10:27:22 GMT
It depends on where you are and how many people are likely to be following your show (or act). Likewise being noticed on another TV show predisposes that the people watching that show also watch your own.
As to how easy it is to hide your identity even from friends that is probably more a 'Superhero' type myth. I picked up on this in an Episode of the TV series Arrow, when two sisters are hiding behind a desk and one of them fails to realize that the woman wearing a mask and talking to her from two feet away is her younger sister. (Let along Oliver Queen having long conversations with people who know him very well, including at least once with his own mother, when he is the Arrow.)
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 21, 2014 14:30:01 GMT
Best to ask the guy that wrote all those poems.
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Post by ironhold on Aug 21, 2014 14:37:13 GMT
The television series "History's Mysteries" looked at this during an episode focusing on the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. As near as anyone could figure from the reconstruction of the day's events, this phenomenon happened at least twice. The first situation was a case of mistaken identity, in which Al Capone's lookout mistook one of Bugsy Moran's lieutenant for Moran. Not only did Moran and the lieuttenant have a similar height and build, both men were wearing the same color and style of coat and hat for protection against the cold. Experimentation revealed that had the lieutenant chosen to flip his coat's collar up for additional protection, he would have been indistinguishable unless the lookout had seen him face-to-face instead of from across the street. The second situation involved two of the four hitmen who committed the act. The men were dressed as police officers and drove a vehicle painted up in police colors, ostensibly to give the impression that they were police officers making a raid. Given that both men would have been known to the victims, questions arose as to why no one recognized them until it would have been too late. For this one, they did an experiment in which an expert from a different episode was brought back in a police uniform and interacted with one of the hosts of the show. The host completely failed to recognize the individual as he was so focused on the person being a police officer and the bad news the guy supposedly bore ("Your rental car was reported as 'stolen' by the rental company.") Given this, it's entirely possible that folks may not recognize a person if they are dressed in a fashion folks are not used to seeing them dressed in. |
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Post by mrfatso on Aug 21, 2014 18:07:15 GMT
I am reminded of the Laws of Attraction show, as possibly Silverdragon was that aired on Monday on Discovery in the UK, during the, Tip Test, a Police Officer that Tori and Grant recognised walk into the Coffee shop and was served by Kari Byron, who appeared not to realise it was her. It must have been someone that they knew from the Bomb or Gun ranges, as them seemed sure he should have seen it was her.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 21, 2014 20:45:58 GMT
I am reminded of the Laws of Attraction show, as possibly Silverdragon was that aired on Monday on Discovery in the UK, during the, Tip Test, a Police Officer that Tori and Grant recognised walk into the Coffee shop and was served by Kari Byron, who appeared not to realise it was her. It must have been someone that they knew from the Bomb or Gun ranges, as them seemed sure he should have seen it was her. I heard that too, but unlike you, I heard he actually did recognize her, realized they were probably doing a test and didn't say anything. I think it was mentioned in the aftershow. |
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Post by mrfatso on Aug 21, 2014 21:48:14 GMT
Ah well there you go, I have not seen the after show.
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Post by memeengine on Aug 22, 2014 6:16:33 GMT
As with the police officers in the SVDM example, I think that a lot of recognition has to with context. If someone appears outside of the context that you associate them with, you're much less likely to recognise them. From my own experience, I was in New York and walked passed a young woman in the street that looked very familiar but I couldn't think why (because I don't live in NY). About ten minutes later I realised that the "familiar" woman had been Natalie Portman. Had there been a camera crew with her, filming in the street, I'd probably have made the connection straight away.
Similarly, I have an acquaitance that I often meet at concerts because we have the same taste in music. One day I passed him in the street in the middle of the day and said 'hi', and he clearly didn't recognise me. When we next met in the queue for a concert, he recognised me immediately and apologised because he had only realised who it had been, on that day, after I was out of sight.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 22, 2014 6:30:19 GMT
I am at a school event, I am stood their waiting for the joke of a headmaster to put in an appearance....
There is this rather good looking young lady smiling at me...
Oh Gawd... now what?... I have no idea who she is, cant say I remember ever having met here before....
My wife is there with me, not that that changes anything at all, but I dont want to get embarrassed this way?... what am I thinking?... I dont know, its just, well, getting a good looking young lady smiling at you is not an every day event?...
This stunner of a young lady makes her way over to say hello....
I feel like I am getting embarrassed, I have no idea who she is, I know she must be a parent of another kid, I presume she is making polite conversation....
My wife joins in the conversation....
Not dropping a beat....
She obviously does know this young lady, and we start to work out who is the kid in question.....
So I must know here in another guise?...
The penny drops.
"I didnt recognise her with her clothes on"............
Well, I usually see her in Uniform, Nurses uniform......
Behave.
She is the nurse I have spoken to many many many times over the years from behind the counter at out Doctors surgery?....
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 22, 2014 6:32:33 GMT
Just for information, its well known our own Queen is capable of pottering around her own country estate in a beat up landrover looking no more than a Farmers Wife.
Well, she used to anyway... dont know if she still does.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 22, 2014 10:47:40 GMT
While we're on the subject of meeting people we know in unexpected contexts, when I was in Iraq back in 2008, I was in Baghdad, heading out to see an American friend who was a private contractor doing electronics for our vehicles. As I head for the building he lives in, someone taps me on the shoulder and goes, "What are you doing here?". In Danish... We were only supposed to be around 30 Danes in all of Baghdad at that time, two of them had just left for Basra the previous day and I'd just left the rest of them back at the embassy, so who was this? I turn around and it's an old school friend I hadn't seen in 8 years. Needless to say I was flabbergasted, so I answered his question and returned it. What was HE doing here? Turns out he was working for the NATO Training Mission to Iraq (NTM-I) as a logistics specialist, the only Dane on the entire team of more than 300 soldiers from different countries and he just happened to be friends with and going to see the exact same guy I was headed to see. Small world!  |
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Post by kharnynb on Sept 3, 2014 19:43:37 GMT
I guess it also depends a lot on the person in question.
A good friend of my wife's is a former Nightwish member,he's a big dude, with long hair and very strong features. He'd need a hell of a disguise in, say, a metal crowd.
On the other hand, a famous person that has less memorable features might skate by just wearing atypical clothing.
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Post by the light works on Sept 4, 2014 14:55:33 GMT
I guess it also depends a lot on the person in question. A good friend of my wife's is a former Nightwish member,he's a big dude, with long hair and very strong features. He'd need a hell of a disguise in, say, a metal crowd. On the other hand, a famous person that has less memorable features might skate by just wearing atypical clothing. An acquaintance of mine bumped into the previous announcer for The Price Is Right in a line in the grocery store (literally) - didn't have the foggiest idea who he was until he said "Excuse me." - recognized the voice instantly. |
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Post by wvengineer on Sept 4, 2014 20:56:48 GMT
Happened to me a year couple years ago. I was at the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum in Washington DC with my wife. At one point I passed a woman with several kids. The woman looked vaguely familiar, but I couldn't place her, so I ignored her. The next day my wife noticed on a celeb gossip site who it was. It was Angelina Jolie, taking her kids out for the day. This is a case where she was deliberately obscuring her identity to avoid attention, and it worked.
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Post by wvengineer on Sept 4, 2014 21:33:46 GMT
You know, this could be an interesting thing to test: How little would you have to disguise on a person to hide their identity? My first thought on a testing method
Take a well known celeb, the bigger the better. Send them out to a high traffic public place (shopping mall, public park, etc) and in a set amount of time, how many people recognize them. Now change one feature about them, like a false nose, change their eyes, a fat suit, fake scar, colored hair, etc. Send them back out for the same test and see if the rate of people identifying them drops. Bring them back in and add another part to the disguise and repeat. Keep adding to the costume until no one picks up on them.
Could something as simple as a wig and a false nose (would need to be a good makeup job) be enough to be anonymous?
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Post by the light works on Sept 5, 2014 1:50:42 GMT
You know, this could be an interesting thing to test: How little would you have to disguise on a person to hide their identity? My first thought on a testing method Take a well known celeb, the bigger the better. Send them out to a high traffic public place (shopping mall, public park, etc) and in a set amount of time, how many people recognize them. Now change one feature about them, like a false nose, change their eyes, a fat suit, fake scar, colored hair, etc. Send them back out for the same test and see if the rate of people identifying them drops. Bring them back in and add another part to the disguise and repeat. Keep adding to the costume until no one picks up on them. Could something as simple as a wig and a false nose (would need to be a good makeup job) be enough to be anonymous? I'm sure not too many bookies would lay odds against Adam and Jamie being on a first name basis with a makeup artist who could do a fake nose and such. |
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Post by mrfatso on Sept 5, 2014 5:04:54 GMT
It can take as little as not wearing their regular costume and being in an incongruous situation. About 15 years ago I had a chance to meet a fairly famous actress from a SciFi TV show, well if you watched B5 you would know who it was quite quickly f I say her characters first name was Susan.
But I was not expecting to see her sitting at a bar with my friend and she was in normal clothes so I did not clock it was her at all. He was helping out at a convention but had arranged to meet us in a pub close by, I presume the idea of seeing a normal British pub, and getting away from delegates lead to her tagging along. For a long while I was ribbed about bit spotting it was her.
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 5, 2014 6:06:10 GMT
You know, this could be an interesting thing to test: How little would you have to disguise on a person to hide their identity? My first thought on a testing method Take a well known celeb, the bigger the better. Send them out to a high traffic public place (shopping mall, public park, etc) and in a set amount of time, how many people recognize them. Now change one feature about them, like a false nose, change their eyes, a fat suit, fake scar, colored hair, etc. Send them back out for the same test and see if the rate of people identifying them drops. Bring them back in and add another part to the disguise and repeat. Keep adding to the costume until no one picks up on them. Could something as simple as a wig and a false nose (would need to be a good makeup job) be enough to be anonymous? Depending on what you're doing and where you are, a disguise can be as simple as a hoodie and keeping to yourself. Much of it is in your behavior. If you're not engaging anyone and your body language is telling people not to engage with you, as long as you stay out of people's way, you can stay hidden in plain sight for days if you want to. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 5, 2014 14:27:07 GMT
You know, this could be an interesting thing to test: How little would you have to disguise on a person to hide their identity? My first thought on a testing method Take a well known celeb, the bigger the better. Send them out to a high traffic public place (shopping mall, public park, etc) and in a set amount of time, how many people recognize them. Now change one feature about them, like a false nose, change their eyes, a fat suit, fake scar, colored hair, etc. Send them back out for the same test and see if the rate of people identifying them drops. Bring them back in and add another part to the disguise and repeat. Keep adding to the costume until no one picks up on them. Could something as simple as a wig and a false nose (would need to be a good makeup job) be enough to be anonymous? Depending on what you're doing and where you are, a disguise can be as simple as a hoodie and keeping to yourself. Much of it is in your behavior. If you're not engaging anyone and your body language is telling people not to engage with you, as long as you stay out of people's way, you can stay hidden in plain sight for days if you want to. however, there are distinctive "I am trying to be anonymous" costumes that some stars traditionally wear that people immediately notice. and there are those who make a point of trying to spot celebrities. |
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 5, 2014 16:56:40 GMT
Also true.
Sunglasses on a cloudy day or at night is usually a dead giveaway that someone's trying to hide their identity. The hoodie also doesn't tend to work for women, especially when a not much closer inspection reveals that they're wearing a lot of makeup underneath. It kind of begs to be questioned.
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honest Adam, just Joking there...)
