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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 28, 2015 20:30:16 GMT
I have never seen a fan like that. seems to me like a high tech solution to a low tech problem. Sounds like something C-64 would design. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2015 20:36:27 GMT
in finland, wet rooms can only have type F sockets, that are both earthed and have a residual current device on that cirquit.(this is needed as many finnish bathrooms contain the washing machine as well. here we don't have specified "wet rooms" as much as "wet locations" and variations thereof. rule of thumb is that anything within 6 feet of water must be protected with a GFCI (residual current device) the bathroom specific rules are that it must have ventilation rated for the size of the room, there are restrictions on the types of lights that can be over the bathtub or shower (you must be unable to accidentally stick your finger in the socket while bathing) and there must be a plug with enough power available to run normal personal grooming appliances - which must have ground fault protection - in the location where normal people plug in personal grooming appliances. if the laundry machine is in the bathroom, it must have its OWN power. - and is subject to GFCI rules. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2015 20:40:23 GMT
seems to me like a high tech solution to a low tech problem. Sounds like something C-64 would design. it does, doesn't it? |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 28, 2015 20:51:58 GMT
Sounds like something C-64 would design. it does, doesn't it? Something I'm sure he'd do with a Raspberry Pi,(running Linux) half a dozen humidity, temperature, motion and light sensors and maybe even a parrot or two. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2015 20:56:20 GMT
Something I'm sure he'd do with a Raspberry Pi,(running Linux) half a dozen humidity, temperature, motion and light sensors and maybe even a parrot or two. silver is the raspberry pi and linux fan. C64 would use an EGR controller and a phone relay board. my brother uses an intel tower and his own proprietary windows based software to drive the custom built control modules - with input delivered by a combination of momentary switches and line voltage motion sensing modules. the only issue he has is when the tower fails to boot in normal mode after power troubles. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 28, 2015 21:01:44 GMT
Something I'm sure he'd do with a Raspberry Pi,(running Linux) half a dozen humidity, temperature, motion and light sensors and maybe even a parrot or two. silver is the raspberry pi and linux fan. C64 would use an EGR controller and a phone relay board. And parrots. Let's not forget his parrots. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2015 21:05:41 GMT
silver is the raspberry pi and linux fan. C64 would use an EGR controller and a phone relay board. And parrots. Let's not forget his parrots. I'm the one with the parrot. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 28, 2015 21:19:14 GMT
And parrots. Let's not forget his parrots. I'm the one with the parrot. View AttachmentSo do I, although a little smaller than yours. But I think C-64 has (had?) a bunch of them. In fact, I think he or his dad use to raise them. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2015 21:26:23 GMT
So do I, although a little smaller than yours. But I think C-64 has (had?) a bunch of them. In fact, I think he or his dad use to raise them. View Attachmentsmaller = lower volume. I think Duke doing her alarm bark in my ear has to rate as close to the worst acute hearing damage I have been exposed to. it makes my ear ring just thinking about it. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 28, 2015 21:32:36 GMT
So do I, although a little smaller than yours. But I think C-64 has (had?) a bunch of them. In fact, I think he or his dad use to raise them. View Attachmentsmaller = lower volume. I think Duke doing her alarm bark in my ear has to rate as close to the worst acute hearing damage I have been exposed to. it makes my ear ring just thinking about it. Maybe a little lower volume. But he can still make quite a racket when he lets loose with his jungle call to let the world know he's not happy about something. EDIT: I say "he" but we're really not sure about that. he could be a she. Unless "it" lays an egg, it's hard to tell. |
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Post by kharnynb on Feb 28, 2015 21:33:38 GMT
wet room here means any room that has water in some way or another, so basically anything that isn't a bedroom or living room.
Although anything built after 2003 has F-sockets and rcd's everywhere anyway. type-0 sockets are only allowed in old houses in non-wet rooms.
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2015 21:41:31 GMT
wet room here means any room that has water in some way or another, so basically anything that isn't a bedroom or living room. Although anything built after 2003 has F-sockets and rcd's everywhere anyway. type-0 sockets are only allowed in old houses in non-wet rooms. our new code requires arc fault protection in every living space - which essentially means everywhere but the kitchen, bathrooms, and garage - and most arc fault breakers include complimentary ground fault protection. I disagree with the code, because I expect the cheap electricians to stretch circuits even further than they already are to save money on arc fault breakers. - the average price for a standard breaker is $4-7.00 the average price for an arc fault breaker is $40-70.00. - and the argument is fire protection, but I have not investigated a fire yet that an arc fault breaker would have been in place to stop. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 28, 2015 21:44:53 GMT
wet room here means any room that has water in some way or another, so basically anything that isn't a bedroom or living room. Although anything built after 2003 has F-sockets and rcd's everywhere anyway. type-0 sockets are only allowed in old houses in non-wet rooms. We don't have type F or O here in the US. I think ours are considered type A (2-blade ungrounded) or type B (2 blade, 1 round pin, grounded). |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 28, 2015 21:47:46 GMT
our new code requires arc fault protection in every living space - which essentially means everywhere but the kitchen, bathrooms, and garage - Is that code now? I thought arc faults were only required on bedroom circuits. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2015 22:33:54 GMT
our new code requires arc fault protection in every living space - which essentially means everywhere but the kitchen, bathrooms, and garage - Is that code now? I thought arc faults were only required on bedroom circuits. it's been NEC for two cycles now. Oregon adopted it last cycle. your results may vary. |
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Post by kharnynb on Feb 28, 2015 22:51:31 GMT
Some confusion caused by me.
We had class 0 sockets similar to your type a. Nowadays we still have type c plugs, but type c sockets are only allowed in old houses.
Class 1 sockets are our type f or your type b. Same idea but different shape.
We use the same system as most of northern Europe apart from Britain where they think a plug should be able to dent skulls.
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2015 23:47:39 GMT
Some confusion caused by me. We had class 0 sockets similar to your type a. Nowadays we still have type c plugs, but type c sockets are only allowed in old houses. Class 1 sockets are our type f or your type b. Same idea but different shape. We use the same system as most of northern Europe apart from Britain where they think a plug should be able to dent skulls. at the basics, we have only grounded and ungrounded receptacles. ungrounded receptacles are only used on ungrounded circuits to replace worn ungrounded receptacles (because you can only plug things in that came from the factory with no ground pin: either double insulated or nonmetallic) grounded receptacles are installed everywhere else, and are permitted to be installed in ungrounded circuits that are protected by a GFCI receptacle or breaker. (oh, and a new ungrounded circuit can only be installed if it is determined that the world will come to a screeching halt if the circuit breaker trips due to a ground fault, and then you have to have current limiting protection, special engineering approval, the inspector's approval and a note from your mother.) |
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Post by kharnynb on Mar 1, 2015 0:13:01 GMT
Rules seem about the same.
The only ungrounded things that are new are soldering or measuring systems on insulating transformers.
Without those not even a note from god will allow you to have ungrounded sockets
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 1, 2015 7:15:49 GMT
You mean big hefty and solid, three pin with the earth pin being the largest, and impossible to insert the wrong way....
And for the given interpretation of impossible, I do allow for certain fools who have tried bloody hard to put it in the wrong way....
All sockets must be grounded, every single one, even the ones for double insulated two pin low voltage shaver socket items must themselves contain an earth link.
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Post by the light works on Mar 1, 2015 14:29:13 GMT
You mean big hefty and solid, three pin with the earth pin being the largest, and impossible to insert the wrong way.... And for the given interpretation of impossible, I do allow for certain fools who have tried bloody hard to put it in the wrong way.... All sockets must be grounded, every single one, even the ones for double insulated two pin low voltage shaver socket items must themselves contain an earth link. back in the mid 90s, when we went to nonmetallic plumbing we spent a couple months making jokes about requiring the plumbers to put in a special fitting with a bonding screw so we could ground the plumbing. today, I periodically install fixtures that have a grounding wire, despite the fact that the only metal part of the fixture that ISN'T part of the circuit is the grounding wire. |
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