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Post by silverdragon on Sept 3, 2016 12:39:24 GMT
This I dont "Get". Your whole reason for being there is to look for signals?.. but then, the signals you look for, and even then eventually receive, are "Too strong" to have ever emanated from that system, and if I am reading right through the previous works cited in this thread (And indeed elsewhere) the possibility is, that there is yet to be any form of extra-terrestrial signal that could have been invented that would show up anyway, without harvesting the whole energy output from a whole galaxy to make that signal. To qualify, the estimation is, because of rate of decay, for a "weak" signal to make it as far as earth, the strength of that signal at source would have to be more than just a small nuclear explosion, more of a supernova. And thats just the directional ones, so how would they know to aim it at this part of space and time anyway. Onwards to what range of signals you are investigating, the "Wide band" of all possible signals is so wide, of course it does cover all terrestrial communications devices. Yet they are not keeping a Log of all known radio transmissions on earth that may "Interfere" with their radio-telescope to eliminate those that do?.. And now we have sensitivity issues. Some of these radio telescopes are so highly sensitive, if I take a size representation of Jodrell Bank's Lovell telescope [well known historical and still used radio telescope] they are set to sensitive that if a cow farts near a walkie talkie in the outer Hebrides it will cause their needles to swing wildly. Of course I know thats why they place them in remote places, which is why Jodrell Bank is in the heart of Cheshire's farm belt, instead of in the heart of Manchester who's university keeps it running... We can at least trust the cows not to pass wind on their walkie talkies down there... In truth, there is a warning for traffic because the tour of Britain cycle race passes through on 6sept2016, so they will be doing maintenance that day, as they request a phone free zone on other days to stop interference. But even so. What are they looking for?... I gotta ask. If the signal they are looking for is maybe a small radio transmitter doing "Local radio" shows much like we do in all corners of the earth, would we even notice that on the next-galaxy-over.... The stuff I am reading would not even notice that, and so that world, galaxy, would be passed over as containing nothing. Yet it is an indication of intelligent life if they are running Radio transmitters. And yet we are looking for Radio transmissions that would make the BBC blush at how puny they [the bbc] are?.. In truth, they are looking for transmissions BIGGER than Humanity has invented yet for proof of extra terrestrial life. Radio transmissions that we ourselves have only had for maybe 100 yrs [give or take] despite hundreds of thousands of years of Humans, at least 4,000 yrs of humanity existed before Radio, yet that isnt "Intelligent enough".... In truth, if we were over the other side of the gap, we would pass over even Earth as "Not intelligent enough". So.... Tell me again, what is it they are looking for?. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 3, 2016 12:59:44 GMT
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 4, 2016 10:28:13 GMT
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 4, 2016 10:30:27 GMT
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Post by WhutScreenName on Sept 21, 2016 16:54:55 GMT
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Post by Lokifan on Oct 6, 2016 6:17:33 GMT
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Post by the light works on Oct 6, 2016 14:38:41 GMT
another possibility might be that the star is past its end of life, and it is just the first time we have seen that particular type of star end its life. |
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 7, 2016 6:47:26 GMT
I would suggest something BIG that way comes.
I know they can tell if a sizeable planet alters the position of a star by the way the star wobbles... gravity.... for every action...
But what about a far-out planet that is right between the star and us?.
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Post by the light works on Oct 7, 2016 14:43:06 GMT
I would suggest something BIG that way comes. I know they can tell if a sizeable planet alters the position of a star by the way the star wobbles... gravity.... for every action... But what about a far-out planet that is right between the star and us?. or a dark nebula. (by dark meaning not emitting radiation) |
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Post by Lokifan on Oct 17, 2016 16:22:41 GMT
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Post by the light works on Oct 17, 2016 16:43:39 GMT
the fact all 237 signals are the same wavelength makes be suspect error. |
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 18, 2016 9:38:43 GMT
This was bought up on something I saw at the weekend... fascinating... a 40yr old question answered by "playing about" in space.... www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/building-planets-in-plastic-bags/From 2004. It was previously presumed that in low gravity, particles of dust would just drift apart. This experiment showed that the "gravity" forces in even small particles would in fact, draw them together, in clumps?... Is this how the first bits of space debris would eventually draw together and form larger objects, even to planet size?.. This would be a good piece to make a myth out of, if I knew how to put it together as a myth presentation, but its a bloody fascinating read, on the score of you learn something every day, go read that page. Its "100% safe" as far as I can test, and well worth the read. |
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Post by the light works on Oct 18, 2016 14:27:21 GMT
This was bought up on something I saw at the weekend... fascinating... a 40yr old question answered by "playing about" in space.... www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/building-planets-in-plastic-bags/From 2004. It was previously presumed that in low gravity, particles of dust would just drift apart. This experiment showed that the "gravity" forces in even small particles would in fact, draw them together, in clumps?... Is this how the first bits of space debris would eventually draw together and form larger objects, even to planet size?.. This would be a good piece to make a myth out of, if I knew how to put it together as a myth presentation, but its a bloody fascinating read, on the score of you learn something every day, go read that page. Its "100% safe" as far as I can test, and well worth the read. sometimes the easy answer is right, anyway. |
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Post by Lokifan on Oct 18, 2016 15:26:38 GMT
The experiment he did is about 35 minutes into this video:
Watching the full video isn't a waste of time either, IMHO.
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Post by mrfatso on Oct 18, 2016 22:25:20 GMT
This was bought up on something I saw at the weekend... fascinating... a 40yr old question answered by "playing about" in space.... www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/building-planets-in-plastic-bags/From 2004. It was previously presumed that in low gravity, particles of dust would just drift apart. This experiment showed that the "gravity" forces in even small particles would in fact, draw them together, in clumps?... Is this how the first bits of space debris would eventually draw together and form larger objects, even to planet size?.. This would be a good piece to make a myth out of, if I knew how to put it together as a myth presentation, but its a bloody fascinating read, on the score of you learn something every day, go read that page. Its "100% safe" as far as I can test, and well worth the read. Sky and Telescope, a friend of mine used to write a few article for them. It's not due to Gravity that the small particles are attracted to,each other but electrostatic charges. The same thing that lets you pick up small pieces of paper wig a comb run through your hair. I know you put it in quotes but just thought it should be made clear. |
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Post by the light works on Oct 18, 2016 23:14:13 GMT
This was bought up on something I saw at the weekend... fascinating... a 40yr old question answered by "playing about" in space.... www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/building-planets-in-plastic-bags/From 2004. It was previously presumed that in low gravity, particles of dust would just drift apart. This experiment showed that the "gravity" forces in even small particles would in fact, draw them together, in clumps?... Is this how the first bits of space debris would eventually draw together and form larger objects, even to planet size?.. This would be a good piece to make a myth out of, if I knew how to put it together as a myth presentation, but its a bloody fascinating read, on the score of you learn something every day, go read that page. Its "100% safe" as far as I can test, and well worth the read. Sky and Telescope, a friend of mine used to write a few article for them. It's not due to Gravity that the small particles are attracted to,each other but electrostatic charges. The same thing that lets you pick up small pieces of paper wig a comb run through your hair. I know you put it in quotes but just thought it should be made clear. I expected it to cling to the bag. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 19, 2016 2:05:47 GMT
Sky and Telescope, a friend of mine used to write a few article for them. It's not due to Gravity that the small particles are attracted to,each other but electrostatic charges. The same thing that lets you pick up small pieces of paper wig a comb run through your hair. I know you put it in quotes but just thought it should be made clear. I expected it to cling to the bag. I don't think the importance of what was observed mattered whether it was due to gravity or electrostatic forces. The fact that it happened at all shows that the same could have happened in the forming of planets from small particles and gas molecules. |
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Post by the light works on Oct 19, 2016 2:19:00 GMT
I expected it to cling to the bag. I don't think the importance of what was observed mattered whether it was due to gravity or electrostatic forces. The fact that it happened at all shows that the same could have happened in the forming of planets from small particles and gas molecules. well, it matters in a "so that's how it works" kind of way. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 19, 2016 3:19:05 GMT
I don't think the importance of what was observed mattered whether it was due to gravity or electrostatic forces. The fact that it happened at all shows that the same could have happened in the forming of planets from small particles and gas molecules. well, it matters in a "so that's how it works" kind of way. First step is to prove it happens. Second step is to figure out why. |
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Post by the light works on Oct 19, 2016 3:22:26 GMT
well, it matters in a "so that's how it works" kind of way. First step is to prove it happens. Second step is to figure out why. so, two steps for the price of one. heck of a deal. |
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