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Post by ironhold on Jul 14, 2016 18:36:12 GMT
Remember the bit about the Millennial who had his little brain blown simply by watching "Top Gun"?
I've been thinking about that.
Given the way a lot of millennials - especially SJW types - are acting, what films should we "encourage" them to see? I'm thinking stuff that would either be "It was filmed in this period, and so shows what it was like in this period" or "this is as accurate a period piece as you're going to get."
Post your ideas here.
1. Top Gun - This was a big film from the 1980s, and also what started things off. We have elite fighter pilots in the days before gender integration and political correctness took hold of the military, plus unapologetic combat action.
2. UHF - Nowadays, there aren't a whole lot of independently-owned and operated television stations left in the United States. Even the legendary KTVT Dallas was forced to become a CBS affiliate, and the even more legendary WGN Chicago was forced to become a WB affiliate before it got its independence back. But back in the day, a lot of markets boasted independent stations. Thus the setting for the film's conflict: a small-time, low-budget, politically incorrect independent station having to fight for its survival against a seemingly unstoppable affiliate network.
3. The Hunt For Red October - Unapologetic CIA work + Soviets wanting to live in capitalist freedom + adaptation of a popular book.
4. Cloak & Dagger - A kid who's obsessed with a spy-themed role-playing game finds himself living a real spy thriller when he gets his hands on video games that contain classified information. Just about everything in here is something that modern-day special snowflakes frown on, including the demonization of Russia and the glorification of "nerd" culture.
5. The Breakfast Club - "See this, folks? Your problems aren't so special now, are they?"
6. Patton - "This is what war is really like, kids. Especially WWII."
7. Saints & Soldiers - "Ditto."
8. The Princess Bride - This one's also a full-frontal assault on everything PC stands for, in addition to being a classic film from the period.
9. Akira - "See this, kids? This was one of the first major anime numbers to be released in the West. Oh, you get squeamish just seeing punches thrown on 'Dragonball'? Then you're really gonna hate seeing this one."
10. Spaceballs - Classic + frontal assault on PC culture + parody of other such numbers
11. The Transformers: The Movie - "We used to let kids see movies like this. And Hasbro once thought it was a good idea to thin the ranks by having characters get killed to the sound of British hard rock."
12. Blazing Saddles - If the little special snowflakes weren't crying already...
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Post by the light works on Jul 15, 2016 1:51:53 GMT
Flash Gordon, FOLLOWED BY Star Wars, A New Hope; so they understand what a quantum leap forward it actually was.
a Bruce Lee movie - unsure of which - so they experience old school martial arts.
Cool Hand Luke: THIS is an abusive criminal justice system.
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Post by ironhold on Jul 15, 2016 4:44:50 GMT
16. Bill Cosby, Himself - This isn't a movie so much as a recording of him performing a live comedy routine. This, in a nutshell, shows off why he was such a celebrity in the 1980s and why so many people are having trouble with the ongoing scandals.
17. Tank - This is someone deciding to "fight the power".
18. We Were Soldiers - This is literally what Vietnam really was.
19. Uncommon Valor - This is what the consequences of Vietnam really were.
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Post by the light works on Jul 15, 2016 14:16:31 GMT
another war movie option would be Saving Private Ryan.
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Post by mrfatso on Jul 15, 2016 21:08:33 GMT
Flash Gordon, FOLLOWED BY Star Wars, A New Hope; so they understand what a quantum leap forward it actually was. a Bruce Lee movie - unsure of which - so they experience old school martial arts. Cool Hand Luke: THIS is an abusive criminal justice system. I would go for one of the Bruce Lee films produced in Hong Kong, like The Big Boss rather than the more western Enter the Dragon. 21) From Russia With Love, James Bond showing Cold War spying before it became the gadget filled franchise it is today. As I am British I'll include this one Get Carter -The original Michael Caine showing the gritty north of England as it was then. |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Jul 15, 2016 22:52:30 GMT
A league of their own, "There's no Crying in baseball!"
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Post by ironhold on Jul 15, 2016 23:18:23 GMT
25. Ghostbusters (1984) - "This is what we had. Note how well it's aged. History will not be so kind to the Feig movie."
26. Blue Thunder - "This, kids, was what a serious, no-joking-around action movie looked like in the 1980s."
27. The Brave Little Toaster - "If you thought 'Transformers' was bad folks, remember that this was a kids' movie as well..."
28. The Flight of Dragons - "This is how to make a kids' movie a work of art."
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Post by WhutScreenName on Jul 15, 2016 23:22:38 GMT
Back to the Future - all 3. What a great display of bullying and showing it's effects. Plus, it's time travel, who doesn't like time travel?
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Post by the light works on Jul 16, 2016 0:56:12 GMT
Flash Gordon, FOLLOWED BY Star Wars, A New Hope; so they understand what a quantum leap forward it actually was. a Bruce Lee movie - unsure of which - so they experience old school martial arts. Cool Hand Luke: THIS is an abusive criminal justice system. I would go for one of the Bruce Lee films produced in Hong Kong, like The Big Boss rather than the more western Enter the Dragon. 21) From Russia With Love, James Bond showing Cold War spying before it became the gadget filled franchise it is today. As I am British I'll include this one Get Carter -The original Michael Caine showing the gritty north of England as it was then. Monty Python's The Holy Grail. |
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Post by ironhold on Jul 16, 2016 6:32:42 GMT
33. Robot Carnival - This is another early anime film to find an audience in the US. The film is an anthology, with each of the 7 stories book-ended by a story about a malfunctioning robotic travelling circus. Only a handful of the shorts have dialogue; most of the shorts are carried by music, special effects, animation, and writing. This, folks, is art, not the "art films" people keep making.
34. A Wish For Wings That Work - This is based on the Bloom County franchise of comic strips. Opus The Penguin wants to fly like the other birds, but penguins aren't meant for it. Although something of a special snowflake bit, this works because while Opus can't fly, he's the best swimmer in town and so his status as "special" ultimately is justified, especially after he uses his skill at swimming to save a life.
35. John Carpenter's Assault On Precinct 13 - Do I even need to explain this one?
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Post by ironhold on Jul 20, 2016 23:57:03 GMT
36. Day Of The Evil Gun - A penitent former gunfighter is forced to once more bear arms after his ex-wife and their children are kidnapped. The gunfighter knows that it becomes easier to kill each time you do it, and so tries to avoid taking any lives unless he has to. However, his ex-wife's new husband, a city-slicker who came around to start a ranch, is too dense and too threatened by the alpha male that is the gunfighter to realize this for himself, even after the gunfighter personally warns him about it. The end result is a film that looks at how easily anyone can be tempted into doing evil, even if they're ostensibly for the right reasons, and how hard it can be to fight one's baser instincts.
Spoiler:
At the end of the film, the gunfighter sells all of the guns he acquired - including the pistol he was using - to a local storekeeper in order to pay for supplies for his family. The city-slicker tries to take advantage of this by bushwhacking him, only for the storekeeper to shoot him down... and immediately realize what he just did...
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Post by Lokifan on Jul 22, 2016 5:18:29 GMT
I thought you wanted some old films:
Casablanca - The power of love, duty and sacrifice. Plus, they'll understand 70 years of quotable one-liners, tributes, and parodies.
Bringing Up Baby - Screwball comedy; Cary Grant and Katherine Hepburn. See if they catch the possible first use of the word "gay" in its modern meaning in media.
The Quiet Man - John Ford, John Wayne, Maureen O'Hara in an Ireland that was a dream even when made.
The Longest Day - A war movie shot on the actual battlefields, with a cast of thousands. Some of the actors were there for the real battles.
Forbidden Planet - The prototype for thinking SciFi, and such shows like "Star Trek".
The Day The Earth Stood Still - The original, not the Keanu Reeves abomination. A Christian allegory, yes, but Gort rules!
Close Encounters of the Third Kind - Every 20 years or so, the world goes nuts for UFOs. At least this one does it in a nice, spooky manner.
ET The Extraterrestrial - A landmark film, showing a friendly alien, and glimpses of life in California suburbs circa 1980.
Poltergeist - A ghost story with the ET background again.
Night of the Living Dead(1968) - The independent film that started the modern zombie genre.
Hidden Fortress - Akira Kurosawa's film that inspired Star Wars
Yojimbo - Kurosawa again, but this time a "Samurai Western", especially if you show them Bruce Willis' "Last Man Standing" and Eastwood's "A Fistful of Dollars"
Seven Samurai - Followed of course by "The Magnificent Seven". It's really interesting to see the differences in attitudes.
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Post by Lokifan on Jul 22, 2016 5:29:52 GMT
A few more:
Father of the Bride(1950) - How American love, marriage, and family has changed in the last half century, and how it hasn't. Remade by Steve Martin.
Father's Little Dividend(1951) - It's amazing for the attitudes toward childbirth and child raising. Again, Remade by Steve Martin as FOTB2.
Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House(1948) - Buying and building a house was a lot different--except when it wasn't. Follow it up with "The Money Pit(1986)" and maybe "Are We Done Yet(2007)"
Airport(1970) - Air travel has changed over the years, or has it? Follow it up with "Airplane!" so they see where the jokes came from.
The Towering Inferno and/or Earthquake! - 70s disaster films at their best.
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Post by the light works on Jul 22, 2016 13:21:33 GMT
we're starting to drift into movies that I haven't seen.
I do think the idea of the boomer movie and the GenX remake might be a good idea. let them see how attitudes have changed.
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 22, 2016 17:50:40 GMT
If we're provoking snowflakes, here are a couple I would suggest:
- Glory (1989): The story of an all-black company of soldiers during the US Civil War (the movie that made Denzel Washington a household name)
- Driving Miss Daisy (1989): A look at how black people were still treated as inferior in American society after the emancipation of the slaves, but before segregation was ended
- Amistad (1997): If black people think they're being treated horribly now, maybe they should watch this and get a reality check
- The Evil Dead and Army of Darkness franchise (1981 - 1992): Just extreme violence and - at least for Army of Darkness - a lot of dark humor
- Full Metal Jacket (1987): Do you need a reason?
- American History X (1998): Get a small glimpse at what makes some people racist
- A Time to Kill (1996): Racial hatred and bigotry in the South - I would suggest reading the book, rather than watching the movie, but the movie isn't bad and captures the essence of the story
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 23, 2016 8:48:37 GMT
every single one of the "Original" films that some planker in hollywood has decided needed a makeover and re-release.
If the kid has seen the re-make of the film, they should be invited (with pressure) to watch the original.
Then q-and-a to see who did it better.
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Post by the light works on Jul 23, 2016 13:20:00 GMT
every single one of the "Original" films that some planker in hollywood has decided needed a makeover and re-release. If the kid has seen the re-make of the film, they should be invited (with pressure) to watch the original. Then q-and-a to see who did it better. yeah, some the original is better, and some the remake is better, and some they both are a bit rubbish. |
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Post by Lokifan on Jul 23, 2016 13:43:48 GMT
To be honest, anyone who looks at film as telling the truth about anything is due to be disappointed.
At best it tells one type of reaction to reality, but it's never been reality. Kind of like Reality TV.
Still, it's interesting, but in a Rashomon sort of way (another good Kurosawa film that isn't quite as approachable).
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 25, 2016 7:20:31 GMT
Of course movies aren't telling the full truth. They may be telling some of it, but it'll always slant in whatever direction the writer wants it to.
There's always more than one side to a story. Some are better at telling multiple sides than others, but none of them ever get it all.
When talking about movies that might interest the SJW/BLM crowd, "Malcolm X" and "Ray" are two that at least attempt to portray the protagonists as not always doing the right thing, but they still focus more on what they did right than on what they did wrong and by no means tell the entire truth.
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Post by the light works on Jul 25, 2016 14:14:22 GMT
Of course movies aren't telling the full truth. They may be telling some of it, but it'll always slant in whatever direction the writer wants it to. There's always more than one side to a story. Some are better at telling multiple sides than others, but none of them ever get it all. When talking about movies that might interest the SJW/BLM crowd, "Malcolm X" and "Ray" are two that at least attempt to portray the protagonists as not always doing the right thing, but they still focus more on what they did right than on what they did wrong and by no means tell the entire truth. they do kind of show the cultural expectations of the time. with that; I'll add "last Action Hero" in which Arnold Schwarzenegger mildly sends up the entire "action hero" franchise. |
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