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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 8, 2016 14:24:54 GMT
How many 4 x 8 sheets of plywood will it hold? My wife's "car" can carry quite a few laying flat in the back.
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Post by kharnynb on Dec 8, 2016 14:39:36 GMT
dunno, what's that in our measurements?
I have a trailer, and a trailer license, no need to dirty the car for that, though it fits 2 ikea bookcases and a 2 person bed as flatpack without trouble.
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Post by wvengineer on Dec 8, 2016 14:54:29 GMT
1.219x2.438 meters
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 8, 2016 15:01:27 GMT
Meters are what you mount on the dashboard. Feet is how are you measure cargo space.
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Post by the light works on Dec 8, 2016 15:05:27 GMT
Problem on Power... My car will do 0-60 in under 10, thats enough for me. It wont spin tyres in anything but 1st, well, I dont think so, I never tried. It tops out at over 140mph... maybe even 150... I dont have access to a race track and idiocy enough to try going any faster to find out?.. its my only car and I cant afford another right now?.. Either way, I can, if I so wish, on a race track, go at speeds twice the legal road limit, and more. Therefore, is my Car too powerful?.. It has a tow hitch, I can pull the same weight as my car and more "with ease", and no, I dont need a special car licence for that trailer, because I can legally tow with a vehicle where gross weight is 44 tons, stgo weight, I am licensed up to 100 tons, needing a trailer licence for my car is therefore akin to a second handle on a coffee cup?... My car will cruise at 30 in 5th and pull up hills. Its less than two litres. This is the problem with American "Mo-Power" versus UK "Enough power" I have one person, and a lunch box, why the hell do I need a jet engine under the hood?... I get 30+ mpg even when in a hurry... 35 fully laden doing 70[ish revise downwards on bends] on a motorway in good weather. It does what I need to do... And importantly, I can U-turn in the two lane road outside the doctors surgery [which is slightly wider than some roads] without touching the kerbs... its a 5seater comfortably, family car, Toyota Avensis. Do I need "More"?.. Do I really need twice the size car for 5 people?.. That Van I am looking at is maybe a foot longer, and maybe a few inches wider, but its certainly a LOT smaller than the average American "Family" land yacht. you've fallen a bit behind. the average American family land yacht is now a Ford Focus. (four door) |
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Post by the light works on Dec 8, 2016 15:10:42 GMT
How many 4 x 8 sheets of plywood will it hold? My wife's "car" can carry quite a few laying flat in the back. mine carries a 731.52cm, 139.7X139.7mm (finished) pole on top, AND is tall enough to tip it into the posthole. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 8, 2016 15:37:09 GMT
How many 4 x 8 sheets of plywood will it hold? My wife's "car" can carry quite a few laying flat in the back. mine carries a 731.52cm, 139.7X139.7mm (finished) pole on top, AND is tall enough to tip it into the posthole. She could probably carry one on the roof rack, but I think it would be too heavy for her to lift it there. Then again, knowing my wife, she would probably figure out a way. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 8, 2016 16:45:26 GMT
mine carries a 731.52cm, 139.7X139.7mm (finished) pole on top, AND is tall enough to tip it into the posthole. She could probably carry one on the roof rack, but I think it would be too heavy for her to lift it there. Then again, knowing my wife, she would probably figure out a way. I used to be able to muscle them onto the trucks. now I use a block & tackle of course, at the lumberyard, I just have them set them on with a forklift. I use a comealong and recovery strap to pull them back out of the postholes. |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 9, 2016 5:43:09 GMT
4X8 plywood, on the roof-rack, up to maybe 10 dependant on thickness, eighth, quarter or half inch ply, maybe only 6 of the half inch or three-quarter, as the retaining straps need to anchor "Somewhere", and I dont like plywood on the roof, it has nasty habits of trying to slide.
Even if I do use five-ton rated ratchet straps with several passes, I dont trust plywood... all it takes is one rogue blast from a passing truck and they fly.
Towing a trailer, I could pull maybe half-ton without even noticing, maybe a full ton in a proper trailer.
If I needed more, then I would borrow a transit, that are built on 4X8 dimensions, because thats how Builders think... a van is "How many 4X8's can I get in the back", and an extra foot or two for toolboxes.
4X4 rough planed six foot posts... I had two dozen on the roofrack when I re-did the fence, the panels were delivered free, but I managed to get a good five-ton ratchet strap around the posts to hold them together so they went on the roof just fine.
I could have had them in the boot, but it was easier on the roof than folding all the seats flat?..
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Post by the light works on Dec 9, 2016 8:35:25 GMT
4X8 plywood, on the roof-rack, up to maybe 10 dependant on thickness, eighth, quarter or half inch ply, maybe only 6 of the half inch or three-quarter, as the retaining straps need to anchor "Somewhere", and I dont like plywood on the roof, it has nasty habits of trying to slide. Even if I do use five-ton rated ratchet straps with several passes, I dont trust plywood... all it takes is one rogue blast from a passing truck and they fly. Towing a trailer, I could pull maybe half-ton without even noticing, maybe a full ton in a proper trailer. If I needed more, then I would borrow a transit, that are built on 4X8 dimensions, because thats how Builders think... a van is "How many 4X8's can I get in the back", and an extra foot or two for toolboxes. 4X4 rough planed six foot posts... I had two dozen on the roofrack when I re-did the fence, the panels were delivered free, but I managed to get a good five-ton ratchet strap around the posts to hold them together so they went on the roof just fine. I could have had them in the boot, but it was easier on the roof than folding all the seats flat?.. I tried carrying a couple sheets of plywood on the roll cage of the Jeep, once. got a little nervous when it went all air-cushion on me. |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 10, 2016 14:12:55 GMT
Just got off the phone to a friend of mine. He is looking for a new job... He has been driving buses, and had an "Incident" during the week. There is CCTV on board, so he could see what was happening... He witnessed a certain group of kids on the upper deck, fresh out of the school, all get to one side of the bus, then all run immediately from one side to the other, and back again... This is the UK Double-Decker bus that I know you are all familiar with?...  If you have wondered if this is similar to the suggestion here.... citadelofmyths.freeforums.net/thread/1975/skyscraperWell yes it is, because it was that driver who relayed that particular myth to me during the conversation. Of course, the bus "swung" a little bit... But our Buses are built a lot stronger than that, and you wouldnt believe the amount of angle they can be tipped to before they start getting dangerous... He stopped the bus, immediately, in the fist "Safe space" he could, went up the stairs and demanded that all the kids from "This seat backwards", using what he saw as the start of that, that they all exit the bus, as he wasnt happy having them on board. Of course there was an immediate outcry from SJW's "You cant do that we have the right to be taken where we want we have paid the fare" He immediately refers to the "Rules" that no passenger shall" where part of that states put the vehicle at risk by stupidity... The kids got off, and he radioed the company to let them know he was continuing and to have a full inspection of the CCTV when he got home to identify the kids and report them to the school in question... My own opinion, he was in the right. No further questions. You do stupid, especially something like that, your off the bus, walk. He says of course there will be an inquest.. He has handed in his notice just in case, because he has no intention of continuing to work for any company that allow such incident to go without some form of action towards those kids. Just for interest, what do you lot think?... was all that in the right?.. |
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Post by Lokifan on Dec 10, 2016 14:52:17 GMT
Of course he was in the right.
Any passenger who attempts to endanger the others for entertainment is acting completely beyond the pale.
Even if the students knew they were safe, it's roughhousing like this that gets people hurt. Running back and forth on a moving vehicle? Who in their right mind thinks that is in any way safe? And, if a kid fell and got hurt, you know the operator would be the one in trouble.
Good luck getting any response from schools, though. Identifying a few kids from a blurry tape won't be easy, I'll bet.
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Post by the light works on Dec 10, 2016 15:09:51 GMT
Of course he was in the right. Any passenger who attempts to endanger the others for entertainment is acting completely beyond the pale. Even if the students knew they were safe, it's roughhousing like this that gets people hurt. Running back and forth on a moving vehicle? Who in their right mind thinks that is in any way safe? And, if a kid fell and got hurt, you know the operator would be the one in trouble. Good luck getting any response from schools, though. Identifying a few kids from a blurry tape won't be easy, I'll bet. I concur though I stop slightly short of suggesting it went so far as to endanger others. (slightly) |
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Post by the light works on Dec 21, 2016 1:30:38 GMT
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 21, 2016 1:59:04 GMT
I think Chrysler definitely needs to learn that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's not just Chrysler though. It seems all of the cars of late have been completely re-designed in the way they are driven and controlled. That's OK, as long as we don't forget the mistakes from the past. Reinventing the wheel certainly has some drawbacks. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 21, 2016 2:04:08 GMT
I think Chrysler definitely needs to learn that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's not just Chrysler though. It seems all of the cars of late have been completely re-designed in the way they are driven and controlled. That's OK, as long as we don't forget the mistakes from the past. Reinventing the wheel certainly has some drawbacks. there's smethinng to be said for mechanical safeguards. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 21, 2016 3:20:09 GMT
I think Chrysler definitely needs to learn that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's not just Chrysler though. It seems all of the cars of late have been completely re-designed in the way they are driven and controlled. That's OK, as long as we don't forget the mistakes from the past. Reinventing the wheel certainly has some drawbacks. there's smethinng to be said for mechanical safeguards. I agree. But the current design philosophy is no mechanical linkage whatsoever between the car and the driver. Everything has to be controlled over a data line. The steering wheel will be connected to an optical encoder as will the brake pedal. The accelerator hasn't been mechanically connected to the engine for some time now. Much easier to give complete control to a computer that way. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 21, 2016 4:21:50 GMT
there's smethinng to be said for mechanical safeguards. I agree. But the current design philosophy is no mechanical linkage whatsoever between the car and the driver. Everything has to be controlled over a data line. The steering wheel will be connected to an optical encoder as will the brake pedal. The accelerator hasn't been mechanically connected to the engine for some time now. Much easier to give complete control to a computer that way. in diesels with electronic injection, drive by wire makes sense - you're converting the "throttle" position into a control signal for the injectors somewhere - it might as well be at the pedal. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 21, 2016 6:11:51 GMT
I agree. But the current design philosophy is no mechanical linkage whatsoever between the car and the driver. Everything has to be controlled over a data line. The steering wheel will be connected to an optical encoder as will the brake pedal. The accelerator hasn't been mechanically connected to the engine for some time now. Much easier to give complete control to a computer that way. in diesels with electronic injection, drive by wire makes sense - you're converting the "throttle" position into a control signal for the injectors somewhere - it might as well be at the pedal. I don't have a problem with drive-by-wire per se. Modern jet airliners have been using it for years with high reliability and few problems. But the reason for the high reliability is because it is maintained by professional aircraft mechanics with extensive training and a strict preventive maintenance scheduled. Now take that same fly-by-wire technology and put it in a 20 year old car that hasn't seen a qualified mechanic in 10 years and I'm not so sure we aren't headed for trouble. That is, of course, after we figure out how to keep the electronic gear shift from slipping out of park. |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 21, 2016 10:30:19 GMT
I think Chrysler definitely needs to learn that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's not just Chrysler though. It seems all of the cars of late have been completely re-designed in the way they are driven and controlled. That's OK, as long as we don't forget the mistakes from the past. Reinventing the wheel certainly has some drawbacks. there's smethinng to be said for mechanical safeguards. Lets start here... "Mechanical Safeguards" We DO HAVE automatic cars in UK, despite me saying "They aint all that popular", so we all know how to drive one, we mostly just choose not to. However... UK Conciousness says Hand-Brake. Emergency Brake, E-Brake, call it what you will, its the one next to the gear shift lever that differentiates from the Foot brake because its operated by HAND and has a ratchet on it to keep it engaged. You are taught in Driving school to use that whenever the vehicle stops to hold it inn place, be that at a set of lights or junction, or when Parked. Especially when parked. It should be a mantra of hand-brake, Neutral, ignition off, EVERY TIME you stop the engine. Automatic with "P" for park on the transmission... Dont care. Maybe it is belt and braces, but what the hell is wrong with using BOTH?.. Never EVER trust a gear indicator. The neutral light on a bike, you go through that to First, then come back one notch, then try the clutch to see if it bites because the light is wrong, before you trust the neutral indicator on a bike. Its the same with any automatic transmission as well... it can get it wrong as to what is indicated and what it actually is?.. And the cogs that engage that "park", who says they cant slip?.. Handbrake with Ratchet, if it comes up more than say six clicks, its time to tighten the cables. But you pull it up until it is tight, and you then know its on, and the vehicle wont move. If you aint sure, pull up another click. The whole issue could be solved by public education, "Use the Hand-Brake, thats what its there for"... Do I get any votes for that?.. BTW, its commonly known you can NOT tow an automatic car when its in gear... some even when they are in neutral as well... If you aint sure on the "P" setting, turn the engine of and put it in Drive, it aint going anywhere. They PUT THE BLOODY HANDBRAKE ON just to be double safe. My Truck with the semi-automatic gearbox?.. I never EVER trust the gearbox to park up, its that "psssssst" from the handbrake lever on the air brakes that lets me feel safe to turn the engine off. When that is on, its safe. On a hill, I can always engaged the Broms brake on Volvo. Volvo is latin for "I Roll", Broms is Swedish for Brake. Its an extra braking system that is set to engage if air pressure should drop too low, but it can be operated manual as well, it locks up the transmission system, so its a gear box brake. If it pops, put the engine in neutral, build up pressure, and away you go. It can pop if you miss with connecting the suzies and/or let too much pressure out on connecting a new trailer that has no air in its system... I believe its a progression from a Clutch Brake system that ancient older-than-me trucks used to use?.. |
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