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Post by the light works on Dec 22, 2016 16:38:45 GMT
living in a country that has it's fair share of snow and ice, I never had that happen to me, or even know anyone who did.... I think it can be too cold for it to happen. I've had it happen to me, when I forgot myself and set the brake at a ski area. you basically have to be in a condition that splashes slush on the underside of the car. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 22, 2016 16:40:11 GMT
there are multiple opportunities for people to drive with a park brake on, including those people who only use it enough to turn the indicator in the dashboard on to let them know they are parked. also, on the subject of park brakes, the cable pull linkage is usually exposed, so it is commonly advised here that you do not apply it if you are driving in snowy conditions; as it is possible to clog the linkage with wet snow, which freezes in place when the car cools. it is a dreadful inconvenience to have to chip the ice off your park brake so you can move. I've had that problem. I don't know if ice was the issue or that it just get's sluggish in cold weather. I seldom use it for it's intended purpose anyway. my dad had his oil and transmission oil get stiff one particularly cold winter. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 22, 2016 18:33:26 GMT
I've had that problem. I don't know if ice was the issue or that it just get's sluggish in cold weather. I seldom use it for it's intended purpose anyway. my dad had his oil and transmission oil get stiff one particularly cold winter. When it gets below -20ºF, everything around here gets stiff. Including me. |
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Post by kharnynb on Dec 22, 2016 18:56:42 GMT
we have engine heaters that heat the oils, THAT is a big issue, and not heating it will cause massive wear on the engine/gearbox.
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Post by the light works on Dec 22, 2016 20:06:47 GMT
we have engine heaters that heat the oils, THAT is a big issue, and not heating it will cause massive wear on the engine/gearbox. in normal usage, here, the engine heater is more to keep a diesel engine warmer so it starts easier. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 22, 2016 21:03:40 GMT
we have engine heaters that heat the oils, THAT is a big issue, and not heating it will cause massive wear on the engine/gearbox. in normal usage, here, the engine heater is more to keep a diesel engine warmer so it starts easier. I'm sure engine heater sales have dropped since cars have become equipped with EFI systems. As has the sale of spray ether. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 22, 2016 22:38:53 GMT
in normal usage, here, the engine heater is more to keep a diesel engine warmer so it starts easier. I'm sure engine heater sales have dropped since cars have become equipped with EFI systems. As has the sale of spray ether. ether sales probably dropped with the development of more reliable glow plug systems. although I think the primary market for ether has been in the heavy equipment world |
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 22, 2016 23:29:04 GMT
I'm sure engine heater sales have dropped since cars have become equipped with EFI systems. As has the sale of spray ether. ether sales probably dropped with the development of more reliable glow plug systems. although I think the primary market for ether has been in the heavy equipment world Around here, back in the 70's, spray ether was a standard winter requirement. Just about everyone carried a can in their trunk. Cars just wouldn't start very well below 0ºF without help. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 23, 2016 4:15:49 GMT
ether sales probably dropped with the development of more reliable glow plug systems. although I think the primary market for ether has been in the heavy equipment world Around here, back in the 70's, spray ether was a standard winter requirement. Just about everyone carried a can in their trunk. Cars just wouldn't start very well below 0ºF without help. improved winter fuel blends have probably helped with that, too. |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 25, 2016 11:54:11 GMT
Spray Ether is good for cold mornings, but it also has a beware, in that if you dont address what other problems you may have, you get an "Addict" engine, that only starts with the ether, and you get what they call an addicted engine.
If its necessary to use that spray "Starters" more than just extreme conditions, you need a full service, change battery, clean injectors, new glow plugs or pre-heaters, and deal with those problems.
The biggest cold weather problem is cold weather diesel.... if yu are using the non additive warm weather stuff, it can freeze if you get below well bellow freezing.
Glow plugs?.. I think we have progressed to high speed higher compression engines that have done away with that now, there are resistive heaters in the air supply, and engine block heaters, thus the requirement of a huge heavy high duty battery, or even two.
The glow plug to vaporise the fuel now works a hell of a lot faster than the cold ones that you had to wait 5 mins t start the engine with.
The good thing about diesel engines is they can run lean, and are good in high places, and many of the also run Turbo, so they dont have altitude problems.
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Post by the light works on Dec 25, 2016 13:00:04 GMT
Spray Ether is good for cold mornings, but it also has a beware, in that if you dont address what other problems you may have, you get an "Addict" engine, that only starts with the ether, and you get what they call an addicted engine. If its necessary to use that spray "Starters" more than just extreme conditions, you need a full service, change battery, clean injectors, new glow plugs or pre-heaters, and deal with those problems. The biggest cold weather problem is cold weather diesel.... if yu are using the non additive warm weather stuff, it can freeze if you get below well bellow freezing. Glow plugs?.. I think we have progressed to high speed higher compression engines that have done away with that now, there are resistive heaters in the air supply, and engine block heaters, thus the requirement of a huge heavy high duty battery, or even two. The glow plug to vaporise the fuel now works a hell of a lot faster than the cold ones that you had to wait 5 mins t start the engine with. The good thing about diesel engines is they can run lean, and are good in high places, and many of the also run Turbo, so they dont have altitude problems. here, the called them "etherbunnies" my understanding is using ether damages the glow plugs, so if you do it too much, you lose your glow plugs entirely. also, with glow plugs in your intake manifold, you can have a manifold fire. old tender 23 didn't use glow plugs, and cranked a bit slow, but fired off pretty consistently. the work truck had plugs, but also runs a fast starter. it lights off on the second revolution almost every time. compare that to the quick attack, that even in the heated truck bay, will not fire off unless you run a full glow plug cycle. |
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Post by kharnynb on Dec 25, 2016 18:26:14 GMT
Once it goes below freezing, it's cheaper to run the heater for an hour than run cold.
Below-10c, you start wearing the engine the oil is sludge.
As it's nice to also run a cabin heater to avoid having to scrape the windows and you know not freeze....
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Post by the light works on Dec 25, 2016 18:57:09 GMT
Once it goes below freezing, it's cheaper to run the heater for an hour than run cold. Below-10c, you start wearing the engine the oil is sludge. As it's nice to also run a cabin heater to avoid having to scrape the windows and you know not freeze.... here, even 10 under freeing F is grounds for staying home. |
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Post by kharnynb on Dec 25, 2016 20:10:00 GMT
Once it goes below freezing, it's cheaper to run the heater for an hour than run cold. Below-10c, you start wearing the engine the oil is sludge. As it's nice to also run a cabin heater to avoid having to scrape the windows and you know not freeze.... here, even 10 under freeing F is grounds for staying home. Can't really say home for most of the four months of winter.. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 26, 2016 4:01:13 GMT
here, even 10 under freeing F is grounds for staying home. Can't really say home for most of the four months of winter.. we're spoiled. |
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Post by Lokifan on Dec 29, 2016 5:06:57 GMT
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Post by the light works on Dec 29, 2016 14:36:22 GMT
That isn't something I would even be counting. |
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Post by c64 on Dec 30, 2016 18:49:05 GMT
ether sales probably dropped with the development of more reliable glow plug systems. although I think the primary market for ether has been in the heavy equipment world Around here, back in the 70's, spray ether was a standard winter requirement. Just about everyone carried a can in their trunk. Cars just wouldn't start very well below 0ºF without help. The major problem were the carburettors. They just won't work well when the engine is below idling speed and it becomes worse with low temperatures since some of the fuel condenses before the ignition stroke. Some engines before injection systems became common were famous for their cold start ability. They either had electronic injection, heat-bulbs inside the carburettor or the starter was able to turn the engine over real fast. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 30, 2016 19:14:46 GMT
Around here, back in the 70's, spray ether was a standard winter requirement. Just about everyone carried a can in their trunk. Cars just wouldn't start very well below 0ºF without help. The major problem were the carburettors. They just won't work well when the engine is below idling speed and it becomes worse with low temperatures since some of the fuel condenses before the ignition stroke. Some engines before injection systems became common were famous for their cold start ability. They either had electronic injection, heat-bulbs inside the carburettor or the starter was able to turn the engine over real fast. Fast cranking definitely helped. Back in those days, we jumped the starter with 24 volts a number of times to get hopeless cases running. That was in the days where there was no electronics to vent smoke when you connected two batteries in series to jump start a car. |
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Post by c64 on Dec 30, 2016 20:30:19 GMT
Depends. Some car manufacturers kept using their old 6V ignition coils for a better spark while starting. They had added a resistor in series and a relay to bypass it. By using 24V, you would kill the coils almost instantly. In fact they often burned out when the relay was broken due to fused contacts or failure of operation.
And the relay had often failed burning the coils out after a while of driving. Some had the relay linked to the generator. The generator won't start producing electricity until the engine reaches at least idling RPM for a while. So when the generator fails and you don't stop the car, the coils can burn out before the battery is down. Cars using alternators usually had an electronically timed relay. In this case the capacitor delaying the relay often had failed so the ignition was permanently in 12V mode so the car was very hard to start then.
And by the way, it's amazing how much resistance the wiring of classic cars can gain. Flexible wiring is sensitive to vibrations and corrosion. The strands inside the cable build up a resistance between each other and break from movements (vibrations) so the current has to switch between the strands much more often. It's amazing how well and bright the lights of an old 6V car work after replacing all the wiring!
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