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Post by Cybermortis on Jul 26, 2017 18:15:03 GMT
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Post by mrfatso on Jul 26, 2017 19:23:51 GMT
I am guessing that means around April/March on the main Discovery Channnel for the UK then.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jul 26, 2017 19:36:04 GMT
The UK version of the Science Channel is Discovery Science.
The decision as too when to broadcast the new series in the UK would be made by Discovery International's Northern Europe headquarters in London.
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Post by mrfatso on Jul 26, 2017 20:09:29 GMT
The UK version of the Science Channel is Discovery Science. The decision as too when to broadcast the new series in the UK would be made by Discovery International's Northern Europe headquarters in London. Yes but just as the Search was on the a Science Channel in the US but on the Main Discovery channel in the UK I am guessing they will repeat the same pattern again. Most UK viewers would not think to look for new Mythbusters episodes on Discovery Science, at least I think that's why the European HQ do it that way.
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Post by ironhold on Jul 26, 2017 20:30:34 GMT
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 27, 2017 10:13:36 GMT
Heh heh heh... I have now just got a new "app" that allows me to view all worldly free to air [not premium rate] channels all round the world... Not only that, it can "cast" to my large screen...
If anyone wants info, its just Android unless you have the emulator, but its called "Mobdro". Get the full app, not the guide. The guides just tell you what is on and where. The app just gives you a choice of **Many** channels to watch over internet streaming... It is wise to get into settings as select just the channels broadcast worldwide in the languages you are fluent in?..
But so saying, if there is a timely difference in air dates between USA Science channel and UK, I may be watching "Live", unless I can work out how to do PVR on that app?...
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Post by Cybermortis on Jul 27, 2017 10:20:03 GMT
The time of broadcast will be 9pm, although it doesn't specify which time zone within the USA. This would give a UK time of 2-5am
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Post by the light works on Jul 27, 2017 14:45:48 GMT
The time of broadcast will be 9pm, although it doesn't specify which time zone within the USA. This would give a UK time of 2-5am usually, that is 9:00 eastern, 8:00 central, and the the west coast channels would air at 9:00 local time.
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Post by paulsee on Jul 28, 2017 18:15:11 GMT
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Post by mrfatso on Jul 28, 2017 18:41:45 GMT
Heh heh heh... I have now just got a new "app" that allows me to view all worldly free to air [not premium rate] channels all round the world... Not only that, it can "cast" to my large screen... If anyone wants info, its just Android unless you have the emulator, but its called "Mobdro". Get the full app, not the guide. The guides just tell you what is on and where. The app just gives you a choice of **Many** channels to watch over internet streaming... It is wise to get into settings as select just the channels broadcast worldwide in the languages you are fluent in?.. But so saying, if there is a timely difference in air dates between USA Science channel and UK, I may be watching "Live", unless I can work out how to do PVR on that app?... I would be "careful" with that sort of thing like "Kobi" boxes the software itself is probably not actually illegal but using in certain ways may well be. The if the software was used to get access to channels that should be on pay TV channels that is probably one illegal here. Yes you could use proxy servers to hide what you are doing, but if it was okay why would you need to?
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 29, 2017 13:34:13 GMT
Heh heh heh... I have now just got a new "app" that allows me to view all worldly free to air [not premium rate] channels all round the world... Not only that, it can "cast" to my large screen... If anyone wants info, its just Android unless you have the emulator, but its called "Mobdro". Get the full app, not the guide. The guides just tell you what is on and where. The app just gives you a choice of **Many** channels to watch over internet streaming... It is wise to get into settings as select just the channels broadcast worldwide in the languages you are fluent in?.. But so saying, if there is a timely difference in air dates between USA Science channel and UK, I may be watching "Live", unless I can work out how to do PVR on that app?... I would be "careful" with that sort of thing like "Kobi" boxes the software itself is probably not actually illegal but using in certain ways may well be. The if the software was used to get access to channels that should be on pay TV channels that is probably one illegal here. Yes you could use proxy servers to hide what you are doing, but if it was okay why would you need to? I am watching "Free to air" channels that just are not included on my current Cable region restricted package. I am not trying for the premium rate, just the otherwise free ones that are not included on region based packages?.. Most of those channels are available by navigating to them on the internet "If you know where to look", this software just gives you the signposts and keeps a list of all of them that you can tap into. Such as for us, many of the USA channels that they dont "think" we would be interested because we have our own version... the difference between say Discovery Science channel UK and the same channel U$A.... The software is not illegal. Tapping into free "Premium rate" channels may be, so I wont be doing that will I?.. This is the same as the use of Pirate Bay. I have the equipment and the ability to go to a Pirate Bay type website, the software I own legally allows me to do so, the fact I dont visit such sites, keeps me on the right side of not being a pirate. If I plug my Satellite cable to the back of my TeeVee, I have a free "Freesat" decoder in the teevee... is it illegal to watch Satellite TeeVee if I dont pay anything for that?.. the hint is in the name "FREEsat"..?
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Post by mrfatso on Jul 29, 2017 15:01:39 GMT
It still may be technically illegal.
The software just like Kodi boxes is not illegal to own but is what you do with it that may be.
You say that you are "just" watching free to air channels that are not available in our region, however various copyright and interlectual rights issues come into play. The holder of such rights in effect make me heir money by licensing those rights in various regions, but watching a show in another region than your own you are breaking those rights.
Even if you can find them "if you know where to look" those places are probably not complying with the law and are themselves not strictly legal, like I say if you need or are advised to use proxy servers to,watch them then they probably are not on the up and up.
Pirate Bay was not above board that's why it has been variously shutdown, raided had its URL blocked in various countries its founders jailed etc.
Doing what you plan to do is probably technically illegal, but you probably won't get caught but it's not all above board.
Watching Free sat is different, the licence holders have agreed with the TV channels in the UK to freely broadcast that content to the UK and other countries in the footprint of that transmitter for free.
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 29, 2017 15:55:43 GMT
This is NOT a proxy server that I am using, it is a tool to present free to watch TeeVee channels from around the world. I have fond no evidence that implies it is illegal. I am not amused with your implication that I am "Probably" breaking the law... that isnt funny is it?..
After all, I have stated many times that my intention is to be aware and NOT break any laws.
Note AGAIN, and let me ghigh;light it again for you in case you became hard of seeing suddenly...
If the channel is broadcasting "Free to anyone who can receive it" and surviving on advertising revenue raised through its adverts, and because of geographic limitations of their broadcast areal, I am "Just over the hill", water, whatever, from its broadcast range, I am doubting they will even be interested if I am watching it or not, as they intend to raise revenue from the adverts, not from DRM...
If I was watching paid-for channels, then yes you have a point, but as my intended use is only free-to-air, and those channels already paid for in my own area, as they are receiving subscription through my existing cable package for that channel, just because I am watching the U$S version of a paid for UK channel, I doubt there is a problem with that.
If there is, they are free to contact me.
My intention is, again, as I have stated, NOT piracy. My intention to the ability to use a tool to watch a show on U$A TeeVee a few months before the UK's version of that channel that I have already raised the [unanswered] question of why there is such a time delay between U$A broadcast and UK.... They have no reason to do such, but do do such, and cannot forward a simple response, I therefore suggest they have no interest in me at all, and therefore, I feel they are not bothered.
If it was a case of me watching the Sky Cinema paid subscription boxing matches, then you have a point. Those are pay-for-view. Same with Premier league football.
I have no bloody interest more that "Oh look there is a flower" in a trip through the countryside in those channels, and wqill never be interested in watching them.
I would, however, be interested in watching a channel dedicated to NASA, especially as I am receiving Video of the three astronauts that have just joined the ISS space station, they are available now on twitter, from launch to docking, and everything else, including interviews with the astronauts... and just where is that on the UK teeVee system then?.
For that, I have to be able to use my 17inch screen on the lap-top and "Cast" to my large screen.
This isnt watching Game of Thrones on sky Atlantic without paying for the subscription here, this is keeping up "Real Time" with the discussions of science based TeeVee, on both sides of the Atlantic, and I have no problems with trying to receive free-to-air advert funded TeeVee by using my Android pad and software to tap into a free stream that is being supplied.
These are SUPPLIED streams, as far as I know, they are streams actually allowed by the channel, for those who may be out of direct broadcast range... maybe those who live in out of town locations who dont get Cable or Broadcast TeeVee and cant get Sky... or dont want to pay Sky for "Not a lot at all" especially when Discovery is Free to Air. Where is the problem?.
Yes you are right op one hand, that kind of software "Could" be used to break the law. So can my car. The fact I dont drive at 90mph through a 20mph advisory locality proves I have interest n obeying the law. As neither the ownership or use of the software is illegal, until I see direct evidence that it is, I am continuing to drive at 30 in a 30 area, and watching free-to-view channels on my big screen. I also pay my TeeVee licence and pay for Cable connection. No one is breaking the law here, and unless you can prove otherwise, I suggest innocent until proven guilty?.
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Post by the light works on Jul 29, 2017 16:22:16 GMT
I believe he is not suggesting you have any intention of wrongdoing, but rather that broadcast laws are so esoteric that there may be some law that makes it illegal to view some broadcaster's free to view streaming content from where you are.
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Post by mrfatso on Jul 29, 2017 16:39:34 GMT
For instance although the Science channel.com offers downloads buried in its TOC is the following. You could probably find a way of accessing those programs but it would not be with Discoveries permission as they still wish to use the same programs for Discovery Europe and the advertising revenue that is provided by selling air time on those European channels. They want to sell airtime to Walkers crisps, Vauxhall cars , Ribena, Cadburies etc. at a premium rate for a new to Europe program. Yes there probably is a problem with viewing US shows in Europe for that reason. Edit: this is from the End User Licence on the Mobdo website. www.mobdro.to/eulaWhich makes it clear that they are aware the up loaders of such streams may be breaching copyright, and that they are trying to distance themselves from it legally.
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 30, 2017 15:31:58 GMT
Do I believe that by saying that, Mobdro has stated that if they supply it to Modro, its ours to watch?. There is a channel that is available that is the Sky Sports F1. I just finished watching that race, bloody awful track, its being re-run tonight on C4, but I watched it on sky sports F1, At the home of someone who pays the higher rate for sky sports as it is a "Premium rate channel".
Again, I am fully aware that there are streams of premium rate channel available elsewhere on the internet, and watching them "Fo-Free" is a violation of terms of etc legal stuff... Therefore, I have no intention of breaking that law.
Again, My Car is capable of speeds in excess of 140mph.... I DO NOT DRIVE at those speeds?.
How many time do I got to say "Free To Air" before you get the impression I wont be watching illegal channels illegally?.
However, those that have a geographical limit in broadcast range, such as "Free to air" channels in USA, I WILL be watching. Because I can.
If the free to air channels of all countries were broadcast to all TV sets in all countries, a broadband cable the size of a waterpipe would be needed to carry all those subscriptions simultaneously. Therefore you only receive a limited number of channels by your TV provider that is limited by user choice, by availability, as in those carried over the pond on satellite, or what your own provider decides what you may want to watch... in reverse order of those three... Anything else can be streamed free via internet. Mobdro is a way of doing that.
Yes, I do not doubt that I could breach a copywrite "If I tried hard enough", but, how many times must I say, that has never been my intention?.
You own a toolbox?. Am I to presume you are intending to break into next doors garage tonight because you have the requisite tools to do that?.
I have a "App" that allows me to watch free channels the same as turning my Satellite dish towards a different satellite, whats the difference?.
The fact I am keen to state I do not wish to break any copywrite law should be enough to state I do not wish to break the law. Why is this "discussion" being turned into an argument against me?.
And what of those channels that upload their own stream?.
How may times have I got to say "FREE TO AIR"....?...
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Post by mrfatso on Jul 30, 2017 15:47:25 GMT
No what they are saying is that they just aggregate streaming services from all over the web for you to watch, but they do not do any checking to see if the source of that live stream is legal or not. If you watch any of their streams and it is illegal they take no responsibility for you doing so. Again just because a channel is free to air for viewers in a specific region to watch for free, it does not mean that legally anyone else in the world has the automatic right to watch the same channel at the same time for free. You may not be trying to access subscription only channels and feel because you are doing that you have are not breaking copyright, but that is not the case. Take the BBC IPlayer and Demand 5 both of which are freely available on the net and offer streaming for people to watch their channels, both buried in the small print have TOS that say their services are for UK viewers only. Besides which a Discovery does not provide its programming free to air,it's part of the cable package that many people,get and pay for, and to access their streaming services you need to sign in using your TV provider account, putting behind a subscription only pay wall. www.discovery.com/watch/discoverySomeone on Mobdro may be circumventing this but not legally. Yes it's not your intention to breach copyright, but I think you misunderstand all,the implications of what this type,of app does.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 15, 2017 18:47:26 GMT
Wait a minute...
Let's say you go to a market somewhere and someone there is selling knockoff Levi's at a stand. I don't know how it works in the UK, but over here, only the people making money off the knockoffs are actually doing something illegal, not the people buying them. If there's a police raid on the stand and you happen to be standing nearby with your newly bought pair of fake Levi's, they may confiscate them as evidence, but they won't charge you with a crime.
Same thing should go for this app. If the end user - acting in good faith - watches something they shouldn't have been able to because it's copyright protected, the end user hasn't done anything wrong. Only the people providing access to the illegal content can be prosecuted.
The reason it's illegal to download things from torrent sites like The Pirate Bay is not because you're gaining access to content you would otherwise have to pay for. It's because, by the very nature of how torrents work, you're redistributing what you download and have thus made yourself part of the network that allows people access to pirated material. You have made yourself one of the guys working the stand, selling the knockoff Levi's and THAT is illegal.
Consuming pirated material - be it jeans or jewelry or software - is not a punishable offense. Distributing pirated material is.
The legalese in Mobdro's EULA is not there to absolve themselves of responsibility for what the end user watches, but to absolve themselves of responsibility for what people may illegally stream through their app.
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Post by mrfatso on Aug 16, 2017 10:19:28 GMT
Wait a minute... Let's say you go to a market somewhere and someone there is selling knockoff Levi's at a stand. I don't know how it works in the UK, but over here, only the people making money off the knockoffs are actually doing something illegal, not the people buying them. If there's a police raid on the stand and you happen to be standing nearby with your newly bought pair of fake Levi's, they may confiscate them as evidence, but they won't charge you with a crime. Same thing should go for this app. If the end user - acting in good faith - watches something they shouldn't have been able to because it's copyright protected, the end user hasn't done anything wrong. Only the people providing access to the illegal content can be prosecuted. The reason it's illegal to download things from torrent sites like The Pirate Bay is not because you're gaining access to content you would otherwise have to pay for. It's because, by the very nature of how torrents work, you're redistributing what you download and have thus made yourself part of the network that allows people access to pirated material. You have made yourself one of the guys working the stand, selling the knockoff Levi's and THAT is illegal. Consuming pirated material - be it jeans or jewelry or software - is not a punishable offense. Distributing pirated material is. The legalese in Mobdro's EULA is not there to absolve themselves of responsibility for what the end user watches, but to absolve themselves of responsibility for what people may illegally stream through their app. Under the new Digital Economy Act that passed into law this year then yes watching illegal streams is an offence in the UK. The idea is that you are now responsible for making sure your sources are legit. www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/digital-economy-act-kodi-stream-illegal-users-prison-10-years-sentence-copyright-data-sharing-a7716131.htmlAlthough the headline mentions Kodi boxes, it should equally apply to other devices and software.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 17, 2017 0:38:00 GMT
Wow! There's a potentially slippery slope if I ever saw one! TEN YEARS IN PRISON?!?!?! For watching an episode of Game of Thrones or a Premier League game without having paid for it?!?!?! Unless you're giving pickpockets and shoplifters the same sentence and also putting muggers, wife beaters and other violent criminals away for at least twenty years, that seems WAY too harsh!!! I understand that it's a growing problem and something needs to be done about it, but seriously?! TEN YEARS?!?!?! For an offense that probably only costs the victim a few quid (per crime) and by no means causes physical or even direct mental distress to anyone?!?!?! And the British public is fine with this? You're all good with spending millions in taxes on police, court and correctional resources for catching and providing ten years worth of free room and board for thousands of individuals whose only crime is not wanting to pay to watch the latest episode of Prison Break? You're absolutely okay with ruining a bunch of (mainly young) peoples' lives by incarcerating them for a decade, just to make sure some network executives don't lose a fraction of their pocket linings? Furthermore, where does this leave users of services such as the one SD mentioned? I get that authorities should be able to charge you with a crime if you've willfully sought out material you know in advance to be illegal, but what if you're acting on good faith and don't realize what you're watching isn't legit? Should you be thrown in prison because a vendor you trust suddenly starts selling dodgy merchandise without your knowledge? I can't even begin to imagine how many people will stop watching perfectly legal free content on the web, fearing that they could be thrown in prison for it if they're somehow misled by the distributor. You do realize this is an indirect way for the government to make people self-censor, don't you? If I was a Brit, I'd be going, "We left the over-regulating EU for THIS?!" right about now!
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