Medical Care Discussion

I genuinely appreciate that! Having said that, personally, I don't mind open discussion on any topic, including politics. It just has to be the right place and fit the rest of the discussion. Talking about Obamacare in a health care post, is inherently political. It's impossible to NOT bring politics into that discussion. So please, feel free to share your thoughts Greg

Thanks, but since this is the medical care thread and since my by-pass surgery the Docs are trying to keep my blood pressure down, probably best for me to avoid political discussions for a while.

I’ll go for the pepperoni.
You can have the goose liver.

agreed. pepperoni is the only food I see on that list.

my dad turned 80 this year, and I doubt he has eaten any of these other than pepperoni.

webMD goes a bit more in depth in what is a good source of K2.

www.webmd.com/diet/foods-high-in-vitamin-k2

including mentioning that 10 micrograms a day is enough for the average person. that would include:
2 slices of cheddar cheese.
two chicken strips
a sixth of an egg yolk.


so there are options that don't involve eating revolting things.

That link of yours actually states between 10 and 45 micrograms. And, I only listed the highest sources of K2 in order to increase the likelihood of easily acquiring a useful dose. And, besides, I in as much asked you to research it yourself. Discovering other sources is and should be part of the discovering process, in my opinion.

Here's another "WebMD" link stating closer to 100 micrograms... which is in line with basically all other sources besides the one-off "WebMD" that you managed to cite:

(Very odd that WebMD sources managed to conflict with one another this time. Usually a solid, trustworthy source)

www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/supplement-guide-vitamin-k


Since it's debatable that many fermented foods, or meat-based, or egg-based foods generally don't provide enough K2 without either eating too much of it, or it being over priced to begin with (etc.), I've looked at getting an inexpensive and concentrated source of K2.

Natto is fermented Soy Bean. A half spoon per day would be plenty. A fifteen day quantity is about 3 dollars, US. It tastes a bit like alcohol based chocolate beverage, I forget its name at the moment. Chocolate liqueur? At half a spoon, I hardly taste it anyway. To me, it has hints of chocolate liqueur.

And, GTCGreg, hardened arteries are in fact "clogged arteries". They are one and the same problem. I actually had to research that a bit more to be certain.

Get damage to the vessels due to stress, the body "fixes" the damage with calcium deposits, fat deposits, etc. Eat a poor diet, the body does the same. Without the correct acid the body doesn't unload the vessels of their calcium content:

www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/atherosclerosis

Over half the non European west gets this disease because we don't eat hard cheeses from the Netherlands or France any more, don't eat Foie Gras (liver pate' of goose) unless it's a special holiday occasion, don't eat much sauerkraut, or pepperoni due to either digestion issues, salt or other concerns. We likely don't eat at all like the asians. Eel is a hard sell in the West, and for good reason. Its blood is highly toxic, so you must thoroughly cook eel, if you are inclined to try it. The people of the orient, and eskimos too for that matter, continue to include fermented foods like Kimchi, Cheonggukjang, Natto, and other foods that are from the ocean instead, then fermented.

The "clogged arteries" problem has long plagued western medicine. And, finally in the last couple of years, there has been a major breakthrough.

Yet, for the very reason hardening of the arteries is a problem in the first place (lack of being able to stomach fermented foods any more) the West, our West, continues to thumbs its nose at this simple and brilliant discovery.

I'd say that the irony is killing me. But, actually....
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It's likely killing you.

Lol.

So, have a spinach salad, then some sauerkraut followed by foie gras and aged gouda cheese with a thin slice of pepperoni on a cracker, outside in the sunshine. And, everything will be peachy.

After the heart surgery, I have tried to change my eating habits. But it's more what I'm not eating than what I am. That and Crestor have brought my cholesterol levels well within what's considered normal. Before the surgery, my cholesterol levels were very high which, I'm sure, was part of the reason I ended up in the ER.

better to level off the cortisol using not being dependent on caffeine.

it's a thing I've been saying for years if not decades. better to stop the bad habit than try to medicate away the consequences.

The figures on egg consumption in America seems to suggest high use of eggs. And, yet, half Americans or more show K2 deficiencies.

Then some see the quality of eggs in decline.

I know you state buying eggs having been created with proper diet. But, to me, eggs are not cutting it any more for some reason.

Besides, for the price of nine eggs today (about four days supply of proper K2, supposedly), I can buy 15 days worth of K2 in Natto. 4 or 5 days verses 15 for the same money?

I just leave it frozen, scoop out half a spoonful and down it. Like I say, it leaves an aftertaste, to me anyway, of chocolate liqueur. Since it's frozen, I don't need to look at stringy, slimy whatever.

Again, just a thought.

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Besides, besides, Natto has the likelihood of contributing to good gut health, probiotic and all that...