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Post by talk2me on Dec 8, 2012 1:28:01 GMT
The question is...
If Lincoln was shot today the exact same way by Booth with the same gun, would he have survived the head shot?
Given the advances it medical science could this have been survivable today?
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 8, 2012 2:10:09 GMT
Although I'm certainly no expert on Lincoln or weapons of that time period, what little reading I have done on the subject would lead me to believe that Lincoln received a very survivable wound if he could have been treated with today's medical technology.
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Post by the light works on Dec 8, 2012 12:34:14 GMT
IIRC, what I was taught in elementary school, Lincoln was shot in the back of the head at close range with a large caliber deringer. are we asking if medical technology could keep him alive, or if there was any chance of actual recovery?
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Post by talk2me on Dec 10, 2012 1:02:04 GMT
Either. Could he have been saved using todays methods. And could he possibly recover in anyway.
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Post by Cybermortis on Dec 10, 2012 2:59:51 GMT
How would you test this?
You might want to read the rules and guidelines sticky, specifically number 7 in the guidelines.
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Post by the light works on Dec 10, 2012 5:08:12 GMT
I think we'd be stuck with computer modeling.
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Post by c64 on Dec 10, 2012 18:20:25 GMT
Uem, if Lincoln was shot today, it would have been with a Sniper riffle, a .44 or assassinated the modern way using big explosives.
Not only medical stuff improved, the gun have improved as well to compensate just that!
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Post by ironhold on Dec 10, 2012 23:07:10 GMT
Uem, if Lincoln was shot today, it would have been with a Sniper riffle, a .44 or assassinated the modern way using big explosives. Not only medical stuff improved, the gun have improved as well to compensate just that! I think the OP was presuming the exact same attack method. |
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Post by c64 on Dec 10, 2012 23:24:32 GMT
Uem, if Lincoln was shot today, it would have been with a Sniper riffle, a .44 or assassinated the modern way using big explosives. Not only medical stuff improved, the gun have improved as well to compensate just that! I think the OP was presuming the exact same attack method. Which is pointless since nobody sane would try shooting someone with inadequate methods. For the same reason you could ask if he would have survived if the assassin had missed. |
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Post by ironhold on Dec 11, 2012 1:54:30 GMT
I think the OP was presuming the exact same attack method. Which is pointless since nobody sane would try shooting someone with inadequate methods. For the same reason you could ask if he would have survived if the assassin had missed. Gunshot from behind at close quarters? That's "assassination 101", folks. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Dec 11, 2012 2:01:52 GMT
I think the OP was presuming the exact same attack method. Which is pointless since nobody sane would try shooting someone with inadequate methods. For the same reason you could ask if he would have survived if the assassin had missed. You need to read your history. Reagan was shot at with a .22, Archduke Franz Ferdunand and his wife were shot and killed with a .32 (starting WW1). |
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Post by srmarti on Dec 12, 2012 2:58:39 GMT
Uem, if Lincoln was shot today, it would have been with a Sniper riffle, a .44 or assassinated the modern way using big explosives. Not only medical stuff improved, the gun have improved as well to compensate just that! Good point. If he was shot today, why would somebody try to assassinate him with an antique? |
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 12, 2012 3:54:09 GMT
Well, if you want to continue along those lines, if he was shot today, he'd be almost 204 years old. Old age would have done him in long befor the gun shot.
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Post by c64 on Dec 12, 2012 17:28:20 GMT
Well, if you want to continue along those lines, if he was shot today, he'd be almost 204 years old. Old age would have done him in long befor the gun shot. Nothing that the advanced medical science from tomorrow couldn't fix   |
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Post by talk2me on Dec 17, 2012 18:43:40 GMT
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Post by ronbo6 on Dec 21, 2012 0:14:34 GMT
Two words. Gabrielle Giffords.
The biggest problem being Lincoln's wound was to the back of his head, where most of the 'source code' necessary for the body to function at a basic level resides.
The fact that he was stil lbreathing for at least an hour while his doctors were hamhandedly trying to remove the bullet speaks well for the possibility that he could have survioved it.
Lincoln probably would never be completely 'right' again (or maybe he could even recover as well as Ms. Giffords has), but whatever was left of him would have a very good chance of continuing to breathe.
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Post by rmc on Dec 21, 2012 0:37:16 GMT
I know it is easy to pass off what the surgeons did back then as amateur, and, perhaps by today's standards it was. But, from what I have read on the incident, it wasn't easy to stand by and simply do nothing. (though there was really nothing to do then)
The president was breathing and there was growing pressure, as time went along, for the medical team to try and do something (even though they weren't really certain it was a good idea to even try)
Eventually, after much debate, they began inserting a long, thin probe into the back of his head, in an attempt to somehow reach the bullet, located certainly near the front of the forehead.
What a mess. If it hadn't been the President, there may not have been as much pressure to do something - ANYTHING!! And, he may have died more peacefully, without all the pointless and dangerous poking around in his head.
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Post by the light works on Dec 21, 2012 1:43:28 GMT
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Post by rmc on Dec 21, 2012 2:15:09 GMT
Perhaps they are both examples of being seemingly 'pressured' into doing more than they obviously should have. Don't really know - just pondering it.
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Post by Lokifan on Dec 21, 2012 4:40:34 GMT
Questions like this always make me wonder what our descendants will think of our medical techniques in 100 years or so...
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