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Post by craighudson on Apr 23, 2013 8:06:44 GMT
The reason for adding milk to tea comes from people drinking it from very fine china cups. If you poured boiling water into these cups they tended to shatter, so you had to provide some form of protection for the cup. Milk was most likely chosen as it was widely available all year long, cheap and didn't spoil the flavour. (The first two wouldn't apply to, say, lemon juice.) Just remember this next time someone asks if you should put the milk into the cup before the tea - you put the milk in first. I thought that china was really quite resilient to having hot liquids poured into it, unlike the earthenware that the working class used. So the working classes had to drink tea with milk in first, and presumably the upper classes decided that the done thing was to put the milk in last, in order to show off that they don't need to put it in first.
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Post by the light works on Apr 23, 2013 13:44:13 GMT
The reason for adding milk to tea comes from people drinking it from very fine china cups. If you poured boiling water into these cups they tended to shatter, so you had to provide some form of protection for the cup. Milk was most likely chosen as it was widely available all year long, cheap and didn't spoil the flavour. (The first two wouldn't apply to, say, lemon juice.) Just remember this next time someone asks if you should put the milk into the cup before the tea - you put the milk in first. I thought that china was really quite resilient to having hot liquids poured into it, unlike the earthenware that the working class used. So the working classes had to drink tea with milk in first, and presumably the upper classes decided that the done thing was to put the milk in last, in order to show off that they don't need to put it in first. that makes perfect sense. kind of like rich folks driving Jaguars to show off they can afford to keep it running.
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 23, 2013 14:06:24 GMT
I thought that china was really quite resilient to having hot liquids poured into it, unlike the earthenware that the working class used. So the working classes had to drink tea with milk in first, and presumably the upper classes decided that the done thing was to put the milk in last, in order to show off that they don't need to put it in first. that makes perfect sense. kind of like rich folks driving Jaguars to show off they can afford to keep it running. They were porcelain cups, and the fashion was for increasingly thinner cups - as they were very expensive. According to rumour some cups were so thin you could read a book through them. (One assumes if the paper was pressed against the side). In England 'China' can also mean 'porcelain' when referring to cups, hence the confusion. I *think* this trend started with the Dutch, who were probably also responsible for tea, coffee and coco drinking in Europe. They were the principle trading power in the world until being overtaken by the English/British by the mid 1700's. In fact they were the richest nation on Earth for about 200 years, richer than Spain - which is counted as the worlds superpower in the 1600's. This was because while Spain brought in more money from South America than the rest of Europe combined, they owed the Dutch banks most of that money. Slight aside; The idea that Britain was hard to invade is incorrect. There were something like 11 major invasions/raids post 1066. the last major military invasion was when James II was deposed.
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Post by c64 on Apr 24, 2013 9:07:22 GMT
Just remember this next time someone asks if you should put the milk into the cup before the tea - you put the milk in first. But if you add cream which sat in the fridge for a long time last, you get all those neat dancing flakes in your coffee/tea! That's how everybody in the office seems to like their coffee!
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Post by User Unavailable on Apr 26, 2013 16:14:18 GMT
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Post by silverdragon on Apr 27, 2013 9:16:30 GMT
I have heard of a version of that... it uses a glass of Cider somewhere in it?....
But as England is COVERED in apple trees, we didnt have much of a problem getting real apples... In fact, as a kid, too many.... we were selling them, as we couldnt use all of them.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Aug 10, 2013 17:03:37 GMT
Chop Suey, however, WAS invented in America. And "Toast Hawaii" was invented in Germany ;D Sorry I know this is a bit late in the conversation, but what the hades is "Toast Hawaii"? I've never heard of it.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Aug 10, 2013 17:14:53 GMT
There are recipes for various types of pie, including the apple pie, from the 1300's in England. It is likely, however, that 'pies' in general had been around for quite some time by the point we start seeing records of them - Monks, who wrote most of the histories of this and earlier periods, would most likely not have been concerned over what people were eating. It is even possible that 'pies' come from a much earlier period. Although I can find no evidence that the Roman's ate pies, most of the information I can pull up seems to concentrate on what the rich were eating rather than the average Roman. I'd speculate that a 'pie' in some form would have been a logical type of 'fast food' to have developed in Roman times. And the Roman's LOVED their fast food. Back in the Middle Ages there was a bizarre recipe for something called Mermaid Pie a pie that is half fish and half pig. It was made from Conger Eel and Suckling Pig & apparently it’s quite nice to eat. But try as I may I cannot find the recipe for it to try it out. Bummer!
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 10, 2013 17:35:36 GMT
There are recipes for various types of pie, including the apple pie, from the 1300's in England. It is likely, however, that 'pies' in general had been around for quite some time by the point we start seeing records of them - Monks, who wrote most of the histories of this and earlier periods, would most likely not have been concerned over what people were eating. It is even possible that 'pies' come from a much earlier period. Although I can find no evidence that the Roman's ate pies, most of the information I can pull up seems to concentrate on what the rich were eating rather than the average Roman. I'd speculate that a 'pie' in some form would have been a logical type of 'fast food' to have developed in Roman times. And the Roman's LOVED their fast food. Back in the Middle Ages there was a bizarre recipe for something called Mermaid Pie a pie that is half fish and half pig. It was made from Conger Eel and Suckling Pig & apparently it’s quite nice to eat. But try as I may I cannot find the recipe for it to try it out. Bummer! www.theoldfoodie.com/2012/07/mermaid-pie.htmlNo fish/Eel mentioned in that recipe, although I would guess that you could use some in place of the tongue. (I'm guessing that the recipe given was the 'poor man's' version for those who couldn't get or afford fish/eel.)
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Aug 10, 2013 17:51:47 GMT
Back in the Middle Ages there was a bizarre recipe for something called Mermaid Pie a pie that is half fish and half pig. It was made from Conger Eel and Suckling Pig & apparently it’s quite nice to eat. But try as I may I cannot find the recipe for it to try it out. Bummer! www.theoldfoodie.com/2012/07/mermaid-pie.htmlNo fish/Eel mentioned in that recipe, although I would guess that you could use some in place of the tongue. (I'm guessing that the recipe given was the 'poor man's' version for those who couldn't get or afford fish/eel.) I’m told it was a Royal Court/Nobles recipe so I’m guessing that they could afford the suckling pig & Conger Eels were considered a delicacy back then so it’s really a rich mans pie.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 10, 2013 17:53:46 GMT
Probably, and of course the above recipe comes from a later date. Still, now you know how to make it
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 10, 2013 23:56:25 GMT
I don't think the whole "as American as apple pie" thing has anything to do with where it was invented as much as it has to do with national tradiotion.
Almost every country has some sort of food that's considered traditional and that pretty much everyone eats. In many cases that food wouldn't necessarily be enjoyed as much by foreigners. That may be because it's an acquired taste. Like the many northern countries (Norway, Sweden, Iceland, the Faroe Islands, Greenland and so on) and their countless dried and pickled fish dishes or eastern countries with their fried insects.
I take the phrase "as American as apple pie" to mean that most Americans grew up eating apple pie, so if you're American there's a very good chance you'll like it and serve it at the appropriate traditional occasions. If you're not American however, there's a chance that you don't even like apple pie (I don't), which could potentially single you out as non-American.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Aug 11, 2013 7:39:35 GMT
Probably, and of course the above recipe comes from a later date. Still, now you know how to make it True & as soon as I get my monthly bonus I'm trying it - I'll keep you all posted as to how it all turns out.
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Post by c64 on Aug 18, 2013 17:04:25 GMT
And "Toast Hawaii" was invented in Germany ;D Sorry I know this is a bit late in the conversation, but what the hades is "Toast Hawaii"? I've never heard of it. In the 50s, a German TV cook had invented it. He never was in Hawaii or even near the USA but called his toast (+ ham) + pineapple slice + cheese "Toast Hawaii" because it has pineapple in it.
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Post by User Unavailable on Aug 18, 2013 18:11:26 GMT
I recently was in the Ethnic Aisle of my local grocery store, to get some ingredients for my Yaki Soba. I ran across a bag of Japanese Peanuts, and thought to myself, "I did two tours in Japan and never saw these." They were only $1 for a good sized bag, so I bought a bag to try them out and they were awesome! I later googled them and found they were not of "actual" Japanese origin, but had been created by a Japanese immigrant in Mexico City and are a wildly popular snack in Mexico. Which in reflection would explain them being located with the Mexican food in the Ethnic Aisle, instead of in the Asian section and why the bag was labeled in both Spanish and English, but not Japanese.
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Post by c64 on Aug 18, 2013 19:23:01 GMT
If it's "normal", it can't be a Japanese special. A Japanese special is something like garlic flavoured ice cream
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Post by the light works on Aug 18, 2013 23:14:42 GMT
If it's "normal", it can't be a Japanese special. A Japanese special is something like garlic flavoured ice cream garlic ice cream is as American as apple pie. gilroygarlicfestival.com/
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Post by c64 on Aug 19, 2013 18:27:01 GMT
If it's "normal", it can't be a Japanese special. A Japanese special is something like garlic flavoured ice cream garlic ice cream is as American as apple pie. gilroygarlicfestival.com/They also have beef, pork, bacon, tomato, wasabi, cheese, spinach and tuna flavoured ice cream! A friend was in an Japanese "ice cream parlour". A room full of self service deep fridges along the walls with over 500 flavours - but none of them lemon, cherry, strawberry or whatever you and me would like.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Aug 21, 2013 8:02:08 GMT
They also have beef, pork, bacon, tomato, wasabi, cheese, spinach and tuna flavoured ice cream! A friend was in an Japanese "ice cream parlour". A room full of self service deep fridges along the walls with over 500 flavours - but none of them lemon, cherry, strawberry or whatever you and me would like. The first ice cream shops were opened in England during the Regency period by Italians fleeing from the Napoleonic wars. Back when ice cream first became popular in England they had all kinds of flavours, including parmesan cheese, burnt toast, black tea & blue cheese – actually savoury ice creams were far more popular than sweet ones in the UK, right up until the end of the 19th century.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Aug 21, 2013 8:04:12 GMT
Sorry I know this is a bit late in the conversation, but what the hades is "Toast Hawaii"? I've never heard of it. In the 50s, a German TV cook had invented it. He never was in Hawaii or even near the USA but called his toast (+ ham) + pineapple slice + cheese "Toast Hawaii" because it has pineapple in it. WTF? ? Only one word could possibly describe that thing & that word is naff.
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