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Post by OziRiS on Aug 2, 2013 19:58:18 GMT
I would agree with SD, Rabbit tastes more gamey than Chicken, more like Duck or Pheasant, to me. But the taste might vary a bit depending on if it was wild rabbit or in some cases I believe it is Farmed.(France IIRC) In the UK the episode where Grant and Tori had to compare different meats in a "Tastes like Chicken" Myth, that IIRC was declared busted. Could it however be something to do with the age of the person tasting the food? A young child might have immature taste buds that have not either, developed enough to tell subtle differences in taste, or enough experience to make the distinction. If I think to my younger self, then processed cheese Triangles seemed tasty, now I prefer a nice Stilton or Cornish Blue. You're right that it can have something to do with the age of the person tasting the food. You've just got the reasoning behind it backwards. We're born with a full set of taste buds in our mouths but lose them over time. Children have them on their cheeks and pallets, but as they grow older those die and all that's left are the ones on the tongue. That's why kids are often picky eaters and don't like the same things adults do, especially spicy foods or foods with strong tastes (like a nice Stilton or a Cornish Blue cheese, as you mentioned). Kids taste more of the nuances in the food than you and I do and taste them more strongly as well, making them easier to overwhelm. Their sense of smell is better too and taste and smell are intimately linked, as most of us know. So no, it's not a matter of children having immature taste buds, but rather a matter of them having more than us adults.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 4, 2013 8:44:44 GMT
I was going one further and stating that if real chicken tastes "Different", how would we know what the real taste of chicken really is?..........
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 4, 2013 11:48:52 GMT
Ooooh... Matrix moment
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 4, 2013 13:03:01 GMT
{Thread is going off topic - CM}
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Post by the light works on Aug 4, 2013 15:30:20 GMT
legend has it forks were introduced because a certain queen got tired of food fights involving fatalities.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Aug 6, 2013 14:38:43 GMT
I stand in awe at one who fought at Crecy or Agincourt The knights at Asincourt couldn't get back up because they were being walked over by a thousand men-at-arms. In fact it seems that the knights may not have drowned but been trampled to death. I heard the French lost at Agincourt due to the following: MUD & LOTS of it! Lots of heavily armoured knights on horseback churning up a relatively small field = mud. Since the knights were in heavy armour, & they couldn't mauver they got bogged down in the mud & the English who were not so heavily armoured could easily walk across the field. Kill the French knights by firing arrows at them from a distance. Then finishing them off by stabbing them with their pikes, strip them down to their drawers of anything of value & walk away & claim victory - which is exactly what they did.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Aug 6, 2013 14:43:48 GMT
Just read somewhere that in the 17th century, the hammer on some flintlocks would actually be decorated to look like a rooster, which is also suspected of being the reason for calling it "a cock". {That is quite possible. It is also possible that it is an English corruption of a term used in another language - CM}Not at all unlikely. I just finished reading a book by Steven Pinker called 'The Stuff of Thought' (great read if you're into linguistics and the study of human nature BTW) where he among other things debunks the otherwise funny and believable origin of the 'F' word as once set fort by our very own Lex as 'For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge' and other acronyms such as 'Fornicating Under Concent of the King'. The word actually comes from an older Scandinavian word meaning 'to strike' and was much later adapted into the English word that we know (and - for some at least - love) today. It may have originated in Scandinavia, but 18th century ships captains DID use the acronym of the 'F' word to stand in for 'For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge' in their ships logs. I did actually see an example of this in a old ships captain's log on display at the Royal Maritime Museum in London about 10 years ago.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Aug 6, 2013 14:47:16 GMT
{Thread is going off topic - CM} I know it's a bit late to add this but I couldn't help myself. Sorry.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Aug 6, 2013 14:49:07 GMT
legend has it forks were introduced because a certain queen got tired of food fights involving fatalities. I heard forks were introduce into Europe by knight returning from the Crusades.
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Post by the light works on Aug 6, 2013 15:00:48 GMT
legend has it forks were introduced because a certain queen got tired of food fights involving fatalities. I heard forks were introduce into Europe by knight returning from the Crusades. those two legends are not necessarily mutually exclusive. the knight could have introduced them and the queen demanded their use.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 6, 2013 15:04:38 GMT
The knights at Asincourt couldn't get back up because they were being walked over by a thousand men-at-arms. In fact it seems that the knights may not have drowned but been trampled to death. I heard the French lost at Agincourt due to the following: Lots of heavily armoured knights on horseback churning up a relatively small field = MUD & LOTS of it! Since the knights were in heavy armour, & they couldn't mauver they got bogged down in the mud & the English who were not so heavily armoured could easily walk across the field. Kill the French knights by firing arrows at them from a distance. Then finishing them off by stabbing them with their pikes, strip them down to their drawers of anything of value & walk away & claim victory - which is exactly what they did. The French Knights had to dismount - those who were on horseback ran off to attack the supply train of the English Army and took no part in the battle. This was because King Henry had the sense to have his troops set up anti-cavalry spikes in front of the English positions and the ground didn't allow the French cavalry to flank those defences. Cavalry who charged pikemen head on never faired well - as evidenced several hundred years later by the inability of cavalry units to break the square infantry formations. (A musket with a bayonet in place is basically a pike after all). So rather than commit suicide (and loose valuable horses) the French Knights advanced on foot with the men-at-arms. The condition of the ground played a major factor in slowing the French advance down, but just as importantly the English had positioned themselves so the French could only really attack their line head on and down a fairly narrow corridor. By the time the French reached the English line they were worn out, and had been subjected to heavy fire (although it seems that the main effect of the archery was to further tire out the advancing troops, who had to keep their shields up, and demoralise them rather than inflicting heavy causalities*.) Even so there was very heavy fighting when the French hit the English lines, especially around the Royal Standard, and it seems that this was where most of the casualties were taken - Especially since the troops at the front could not withdraw with the press of men behind them. (*No one bothered to mention how many men had fallen during the advance compared to those who had fallen on the English lines. However the records do seem to indicate that there were far more bodies in front of the English line than elsewhere. If we have references to men having fallen during the advance, I suspect that this was so unusual to be worthy of noting rather than par for the course. It certainly seems unlikely that so many French Knights would have been captured by the English if they had fallen during the advance and been twice walked over by the rest of the army.)
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Post by the light works on Aug 6, 2013 15:16:31 GMT
I heard the French lost at Agincourt due to the following: Lots of heavily armoured knights on horseback churning up a relatively small field = MUD & LOTS of it! Since the knights were in heavy armour, & they couldn't mauver they got bogged down in the mud & the English who were not so heavily armoured could easily walk across the field. Kill the French knights by firing arrows at them from a distance. Then finishing them off by stabbing them with their pikes, strip them down to their drawers of anything of value & walk away & claim victory - which is exactly what they did. The French Knights had to dismount - those who were on horseback ran off to attack the supply train of the English Army and took no part in the battle. This was because King Henry had the sense to have his troops set up anti-cavalry spikes in front of the English positions and the ground didn't allow the French cavalry to flank those defences. Cavalry who charged pikemen head on never faired well - as evidenced several hundred years later by the inability of cavalry units to break the square infantry formations. (A musket with a bayonet in place is basically a pike after all). So rather than commit suicide (and loose valuable horses) the French Knights advanced on foot with the men-at-arms. The condition of the ground played a major factor in slowing the French advance down, but just as importantly the English had positioned themselves so the French could only really attack their line head on and down a fairly narrow corridor. By the time the French reached the English line they were worn out, and had been subjected to heavy fire (although it seems that the main effect of the archery was to further tire out the advancing troops, who had to keep their shields up, and demoralise them rather than inflicting heavy causalities*.) Even so there was very heavy fighting when the French hit the English lines, especially around the Royal Standard, and it seems that this was where most of the casualties were taken - Especially since the troops at the front could not withdraw with the press of men behind them. (*No one bothered to mention how many men had fallen during the advance compared to those who had fallen on the English lines. However the records do seem to indicate that there were far more bodies in front of the English line than elsewhere. If we have references to men having fallen during the advance, I suspect that this was so unusual to be worthy of noting rather than par for the course. It certainly seems unlikely that so many French Knights would have been captured by the English if they had fallen during the advance and been twice walked over by the rest of the army.) I've been in that situation before. when your defense is entirely dependent on mobility, and your role in battle is to pick off stragglers, being trapped in front of the front line generally gets you picked off.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 6, 2013 15:18:43 GMT
I heard forks were introduce into Europe by knight returning from the Crusades. those two legends are not necessarily mutually exclusive. the knight could have introduced them and the queen demanded their use. Forks seem to have been introduced from Italy, then to the French courts and probably to England through Scotland (The Scottish Royal Family was usually closer to the French Court than the English one.) Based on what little reading I've done, it seems likely that if a British Queen was responsible for introducing forks to the UK it would be Queen Anne. And then it would have been down to fashion rather than a desire to stop people from fighting at the table. Even so, it does seem that in Britain the fork remained an upper class utensil for at least another 100-150 years*. It is probable that the fork was adopted by the middle classes to ape the upper classes, and eventually made its way to the lower classes as they became cheaper. (*Sailors were still eating with a knife and spoon in the early part of the 1800's. Only officers, who were gentlemen, used forks.)
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Post by the light works on Aug 6, 2013 15:39:03 GMT
those two legends are not necessarily mutually exclusive. the knight could have introduced them and the queen demanded their use. Forks seem to have been introduced from Italy, then to the French courts and probably to England through Scotland (The Scottish Royal Family was usually closer to the French Court than the English one.) Based on what little reading I've done, it seems likely that if a British Queen was responsible for introducing forks to the UK it would be Queen Anne. And then it would have been down to fashion rather than a desire to stop people from fighting at the table. Even so, it does seem that in Britain the fork remained an upper class utensil for at least another 100-150 years*. It is probable that the fork was adopted by the middle classes to ape the upper classes, and eventually made its way to the lower classes as they became cheaper. (*Sailors were still eating with a knife and spoon in the early part of the 1800's. Only officers, who were gentlemen, used forks.) murkiness seems to be common on topics regarding that particular time period. I don't recall my variant having specifics on which queen or country it was that was offended by the food fights leading to significant injuries.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 6, 2013 16:01:10 GMT
Most likely Catherine de'Medici, Queen Consort to Henry II of France (1547-1559). She was Italian by birth and raised there, so it seems probable that she passed on the trend in Italian courts to use forks to the French (especially her sons). Most other Kings tended to copy French styles and trends - probably because French was the diplomatic language and spoken by most of them even if it was as a second language. So it would make sense if Catherine's influence brought the fork to the French, and from there to the rest of Europe.
It is highly unlikely that food fights had anything to do with the introduction/adoption of the fork. Knives were always in evidence, so if you wanted to stop people from killing each other at the table you'd presumably restrict everyone to using their fingers rather than giving them something else pointy they could use on each other.
Besides, all cultures I can think of have or had strong cultural rules against killing people at the dinner table even if you were eating with an enemy. Indeed the fact that people would offer and accept meals with an enemy is a rather clear indication that such actions were usually unthinkable.
Where we do have stories about people being killed at a dinner table they are usually in regards someone who had a reputation for being ruthless to put it mildly - and who were usually powerful enough to get away with it. This would not hold with guests at a Kings dining table, especially since the Royal Guards would be armed, standing nearby and tended to react to any potential threat to the King by stabbing it repeatedly. (And probably charging the next of kin with the cost of replacing the blood stained furnishings).
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Post by the light works on Aug 6, 2013 16:08:32 GMT
Most likely Catherine de'Medici, Queen Consort to Henry II of France (1547-1559). She was Italian by birth and raised there, so it seems probable that she passed on the trend in Italian courts to use forks to the French (especially her sons). Most other Kings tended to copy French styles and trends - probably because French was the diplomatic language and spoken by most of them even if it was as a second language. So it would make sense if Catherine's influence brought the fork to the French, and from there to the rest of Europe. It is highly unlikely that food fights had anything to do with the introduction/adoption of the fork. Knives were always in evidence, so if you wanted to stop people from killing each other at the table you'd presumably restrict everyone to using their fingers rather than giving them something else pointy they could use on each other. Besides, all cultures I can think of have or had strong cultural rules against killing people at the dinner table even if you were eating with an enemy. Indeed the fact that people would offer and accept meals with an enemy is a rather clear indication that such actions were usually unthinkable. Where we do have stories about people being killed at a dinner table they are usually in regards someone who had a reputation for being ruthless to put it mildly - and who were usually powerful enough to get away with it. This would not hold with guests at a Kings dining table, especially since the Royal Guards would be armed, standing nearby and tended to react to any potential threat to the King by stabbing it repeatedly. (And probably charging the next of kin with the cost of replacing the blood stained furnishings). the story was that the puncture wounds from the forks were much smaller and less messy than a random slice from a knife. of course, the implication that the royal tables were essentially a melee certainly does give good reason to be skeptical.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 6, 2013 16:19:02 GMT
As does the fact that in Europe the fork is traditionally held in the left hand and the knife in the right. Logically if you wanted to stop someone from attacking a dinner guest with the knife you'd have people holding the knife in the left, as they are more likely to attack with the dominant hand.
(Similar to the reason a trusted assistant became known as 'the right hand man'. The person sitting to your right is in the ideal position to grab your sword arm, preventing you from drawing a blade to defend yourself with should you be attacked. Bet you never thought of that...)
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Post by the light works on Aug 6, 2013 16:34:48 GMT
As does the fact that in Europe the fork is traditionally held in the left hand and the knife in the right. Logically if you wanted to stop someone from attacking a dinner guest with the knife you'd have people holding the knife in the left, as they are more likely to attack with the dominant hand. (Similar to the reason a trusted assistant became known as 'the right hand man'. The person sitting to your right is in the ideal position to grab your sword arm, preventing you from drawing a blade to defend yourself with should you be attacked. Bet you never thought of that...) The greatest compliment I was ever paid while I was still fighting was when one of my friends told my opponent, "watch out, he's left handed"
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 6, 2013 16:42:13 GMT
I hope they kept with tradition and mentioned that after you'd belted the guy over the head for the first time.
You know, your mention of left-handedness reminds me of a myth I've heard...Think I'll go and post it.
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Post by the light works on Aug 6, 2013 16:58:24 GMT
I hope they kept with tradition and mentioned that after you'd belted the guy over the head for the first time. You know, your mention of left-handedness reminds me of a myth I've heard...Think I'll go and post it. nope, and that's why it was such a compliment - it meant I'd gotten good enough to be a threat to a prepared opponent.
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