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Post by the light works on Dec 6, 2013 3:58:38 GMT
while this is usually used to defuse a hot climate, it has become a running joke in my cooler climate.
the allegation is that 30 degrees and dry is preferable to 40 degrees and raining. the question is: is this a quantifiable fact, or is it just talking in the wind?
testing would require putting people in the two environments; performing physical acts requiring both effort and manual dexterity, and finding a way to quantify comfort. my thought would be to monitor skin temperature at various points, as well as checking body temperature and blood pressure before and after.
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 6, 2013 5:07:26 GMT
Well, in my experience, as long as I'm staying dry, I prefer 40 and raining to 30 and dry, but if there is doubt I will stay dry, I prefer 30 and dry.
It is easier to stay warm with dry clothing as moisture wicks warmth away from the body faster.
Physical activity in cold weather keeps warmer as well.
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Post by the light works on Dec 6, 2013 7:16:09 GMT
Well, in my experience, as long as I'm staying dry, I prefer 40 and raining to 30 and dry, but if there is doubt I will stay dry, I prefer 30 and dry. It is easier to stay warm with dry clothing as moisture wicks warmth away from the body faster. Physical activity in cold weather keeps warmer as well. if you know how to actually stay dry while working in the rain, you can come to Oregon tomorrow, and retire the day after. |
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 6, 2013 13:59:22 GMT
Well, in my experience, as long as I'm staying dry, I prefer 40 and raining to 30 and dry, but if there is doubt I will stay dry, I prefer 30 and dry. It is easier to stay warm with dry clothing as moisture wicks warmth away from the body faster. Physical activity in cold weather keeps warmer as well. if you know how to actually stay dry while working in the rain, you can come to Oregon tomorrow, and retire the day after. What? You folks never heard of Gore-Tex?  I figured that would be a big seller out your way. Works pretty darn good from my military use of it. Now, I just come in out of the rain.  |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 6, 2013 14:47:24 GMT
Gore-tex is fine, and all four of my current winter coats are gore-tex outer layer.
Humidity change can set of an asthma-like reaction for me... I dont respond well to hot dry to cold damp changes, such as walk-in or roll-in refrigerators and the like...
Doing Refer- vans, I have to open the back and wait a few moments for it to even out a bit before I start emptying the cages outa one?...
Plus going from a warm-dry to a cold-damp, I catch colds if I do that too often.
But it is amusing to see peoples reactions when I jump out the cab on a hot summers day with a THICK coat which I put on as I go to the back of the vehicle?....
(Roadside deliveries... they are used to it in cold store places after all.)
Dry to Damp conditions, I cant say that affects me too much?...
If both at the same temp, it doesnt bother me... otherwise, I would be in problems taking a shower, eh?....
And we do get plenty of RAIN here in Manchester, UK.
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Post by the light works on Dec 6, 2013 14:58:34 GMT
if you know how to actually stay dry while working in the rain, you can come to Oregon tomorrow, and retire the day after. What? You folks never heard of Gore-Tex? I figured that would be a big seller out your way. Works pretty darn good from my military use of it. Now, I just come in out of the rain. you haven't been to Oregon in the rainy season, have you? or tried to thread a #6 screw with gloves on? |
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 6, 2013 15:18:30 GMT
What? You folks never heard of Gore-Tex? I figured that would be a big seller out your way. Works pretty darn good from my military use of it. Now, I just come in out of the rain. you haven't been to Oregon in the rainy season, have you? or tried to thread a #6 screw with gloves on? No, I just been to some of the rainiest and coldest places on Earth and had to perform fine motor skills associated with operating various firearms, mortars and explosives, most of which involve removing bulky gloves. Oregon and its residents don't have a monopoly on cold and wet. You just think you do. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 6, 2013 16:00:54 GMT
you haven't been to Oregon in the rainy season, have you? or tried to thread a #6 screw with gloves on? No, I just been to some of the rainiest and coldest places on Earth and had to perform fine motor skills associated with operating various firearms, mortars and explosives, most of which involve removing bulky gloves. Oregon and its residents don't have a monopoly on cold and wet. You just think you do. ever installed a light fixture on an inside corner of a house under a valley in the roof in a 3 inch per day drizzle? yes, gore-tex works better than, say, denim. That doesn't mean it keeps you dry in a persistent rain. |
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 6, 2013 16:52:46 GMT
No, I just been to some of the rainiest and coldest places on Earth and had to perform fine motor skills associated with operating various firearms, mortars and explosives, most of which involve removing bulky gloves. Oregon and its residents don't have a monopoly on cold and wet. You just think you do. ever installed a light fixture on an inside corner of a house under a valley in the roof in a 3 inch per day drizzle? yes, gore-tex works better than, say, denim. That doesn't mean it keeps you dry in a persistent rain. Ever crimped blasting caps to timed fuze in 10 inches per hour downpour? Yes, Gore-Tex is good. No it's not perfect, but it IS pretty darn close. Again, you don't have the monopoly on weather or harsh working conditions. you just think you do. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 6, 2013 18:31:30 GMT
ever installed a light fixture on an inside corner of a house under a valley in the roof in a 3 inch per day drizzle? yes, gore-tex works better than, say, denim. That doesn't mean it keeps you dry in a persistent rain. Ever crimped blasting caps to timed fuze in 10 inches per hour downpour? Yes, Gore-Tex is good. No it's not perfect, but it IS pretty darn close. Again, you don't have the monopoly on weather or harsh working conditions. you just think you do.yeah, but we're only doing it for money. |
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 6, 2013 22:55:25 GMT
I gotta ask... Have you ever tried Gore-Tex?
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Post by the light works on Dec 7, 2013 1:10:16 GMT
I gotta ask... Have you ever tried Gore-Tex? I've had stuff with Goretex. I actually have better comfort and utility with either leather or neoprene gloves (using the wetsuit principle), and oilskin still makes the best raingear for this area; at least for the sort of thing I do. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 7, 2013 1:13:41 GMT
oh, and you always have at least one layer overlap top down here. otherwise it just fills your boots.
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 7, 2013 5:00:15 GMT
I can't do neoprene gloves. My hands sweat a lot, so I've got to have a breathable glove shell. (Leather or Gore-Tex)
I also typically wear a pair of thin polypropylene "contact gloves" under my heavier gloves, so I can pull off my heavy gloves, but still be wearing gloves and have dexterity.
Also, when the contact gloves get damp from sweat if the breath ability can't keep up with moisture, I pull the damp ones off and put the dry, extra pair I carry on.
Then, by the time the dry pair gets too damp, the first pair has evaporated the moisture away and dried.
I couldn't carry enough dry contact gloves if I wore neoprene.
I hate my hands being wet and cold.
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Post by the light works on Dec 7, 2013 5:23:21 GMT
I can't do neoprene gloves. My hands sweat a lot, so I've got to have a breathable glove shell. (Leather or Gore-Tex) I also typically wear a pair of thin polypropylene "contact gloves" under my heavier gloves, so I can pull off my heavy gloves, but still be wearing gloves and have dexterity. Also, when the contact gloves get damp from sweat if the breath ability can't keep up with moisture, I pull the damp ones off and put the dry, extra pair I carry on. Then, by the time the dry pair gets too damp, the first pair has evaporated the moisture away and dried. I couldn't carry enough dry contact gloves if I wore neoprene. I hate my hands being wet and cold. so do i - but I would rather have them wet and not so cold than have to keep fighting with the gloves. the neoprene at least traps the same water, so it warms up. |
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Post by ironhold on Dec 7, 2013 5:34:07 GMT
I have nerve damage in both hands (big, long story), and so I'm in a similar boat - I can deal with my hands being wet, but once the temperature starts to drop my hands go numb in very short order.
I can literally walk around in shorts when it's 40F outside due to being part polar bear, but I've got to have gloves and a jacket on to keep my hands from seizing up.
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 7, 2013 5:41:46 GMT
I can't do neoprene gloves. My hands sweat a lot, so I've got to have a breathable glove shell. (Leather or Gore-Tex) I also typically wear a pair of thin polypropylene "contact gloves" under my heavier gloves, so I can pull off my heavy gloves, but still be wearing gloves and have dexterity. Also, when the contact gloves get damp from sweat if the breath ability can't keep up with moisture, I pull the damp ones off and put the dry, extra pair I carry on. Then, by the time the dry pair gets too damp, the first pair has evaporated the moisture away and dried. I couldn't carry enough dry contact gloves if I wore neoprene. I hate my hands being wet and cold. so do i - but I would rather have them wet and not so cold than have to keep fighting with the gloves. the neoprene at least traps the same water, so it warms up. Yeah that don't work for me. My hands keep producing moisture and it is more moisture than my skinny fingers can produce heat to warm. So I've got to have breath ability. My feet are the same way. They sweat even when cold. So I wear insulated leather boots with Gore-Tex liners. I'll carry dry socks when I go hunting, in case my socks get to wet to evaporate fast enough. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 7, 2013 5:52:14 GMT
so do i - but I would rather have them wet and not so cold than have to keep fighting with the gloves. the neoprene at least traps the same water, so it warms up. Yeah that don't work for me. My hands keep producing moisture and it is more moisture than my skinny fingers can produce heat to warm. So I've got to have breath ability. My feet are the same way. They sweat even when cold. So I wear insulated leather boots with Gore-Tex liners. I'll carry dry socks when I go hunting, in case my socks get to wet to evaporate fast enough. the only gloves I make an effort to keep from getting soaked is my fire gloves, and that is primarily because I have to switch to the backup pair for about a week while they dry out. otherwise, they are going to get soaked whether I like it or not; so I pretty much try to get gloves that will let me still do my work, and not let the water flow through too fast to at least get the chill off. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Dec 7, 2013 16:12:58 GMT
while this is usually used to defuse a hot climate, it has become a running joke in my cooler climate. the allegation is that 30 degrees and dry is preferable to 40 degrees and raining. the question is: is this a quantifiable fact, or is it just talking in the wind? testing would require putting people in the two environments; performing physical acts requiring both effort and manual dexterity, and finding a way to quantify comfort. my thought would be to monitor skin temperature at various points, as well as checking body temperature and blood pressure before and after. The human body gets rid of excess heat by evaporation - that is sweat. The higher the humidity the less sweat can evaporate, so the less heat the body can remove in a given period. The lower the humidity the more sweat evaporates, and therefore the faster the body cools down. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 7, 2013 17:18:48 GMT
while this is usually used to defuse a hot climate, it has become a running joke in my cooler climate. the allegation is that 30 degrees and dry is preferable to 40 degrees and raining. the question is: is this a quantifiable fact, or is it just talking in the wind? testing would require putting people in the two environments; performing physical acts requiring both effort and manual dexterity, and finding a way to quantify comfort. my thought would be to monitor skin temperature at various points, as well as checking body temperature and blood pressure before and after. The human body gets rid of excess heat by evaporation - that is sweat. The higher the humidity the less sweat can evaporate, so the less heat the body can remove in a given period. The lower the humidity the more sweat evaporates, and therefore the faster the body cools down. we're talking farenheit, not metric temperature. (your equivalent would be 7 degrees and raining or -2 degrees) |
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