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Post by ironhold on Dec 29, 2013 1:37:49 GMT
nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/The idea behind the Nuke Map is to show how devastating - and thus how stupid - nuclear warfare would be by showing the blast radius, fallout radius, and thermal injury radius of a series of historic nuclear devices. For scale, you can select the city you want as the hypothetical target and then change up the size of the device accordingly. For example, if we presume that Sacramento (California) was hit by a full-sized Soviet "Tsar Bomba" weapon (100 megatons; proposed but never produced), people all the way in Stockton would suffer third-degree burns from the thermal radiation, while those people stuck in Lodi might find pieces of Lodi stuck in them. Really makes you wonder...
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Post by Lokifan on Dec 29, 2013 8:03:32 GMT
Yes, it's horrible. They've been around for decades, it's just that the web makes them easier to find.
But also realize the Tsar Bomba was a device, not a bomb, as I understand it. They built it in place and detonated it; it didn't have a delivery system.
Not that your run of the mill Soviet MIRV warhead couldn't ruin your day.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 8, 2014 9:15:07 GMT
I know I am toast.
Where we live in Manchester, we are close to Aerospace engineering, Rolls Royce make Aero engines, we have a couple of Military airports near..... and a HUGE international airport that is second to none, its the biggest one outside london. (Its actually bigger than some london airports...)too many targets to not be on a primary hit list.
MAD, Mutual Assured Destruction.
I try not to think about it, because I hope humanity is not that stupid...
We all need something to believe in, dont we?....
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Post by the light works on Jan 8, 2014 15:16:22 GMT
I know I am toast. Where we live in Manchester, we are close to Aerospace engineering, Rolls Royce make Aero engines, we have a couple of Military airports near..... and a HUGE international airport that is second to none, its the biggest one outside london. (Its actually bigger than some london airports...)too many targets to not be on a primary hit list. MAD, Mutual Assured Destruction. I try not to think about it, because I hope humanity is not that stupid... We all need something to believe in, dont we?.... There are advantages to living in an area with almost nothing important. |
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Post by User Unavailable on Jan 8, 2014 16:12:33 GMT
Used to be the Russians to worry about, Now it's the Chinese.Though the Russians are again testing and developing new missiles, all the while demanding the US dismantle our missile programs. |
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Post by User Unavailable on Jan 8, 2014 16:57:22 GMT
I know I am toast. Where we live in Manchester, we are close to Aerospace engineering, Rolls Royce make Aero engines, we have a couple of Military airports near..... and a HUGE international airport that is second to none, its the biggest one outside london. (Its actually bigger than some london airports...)too many targets to not be on a primary hit list. MAD, Mutual Assured Destruction. I try not to think about it, because I hope humanity is not that stupid... We all need something to believe in, dont we?.... Yep, from looking at projected nuclear targets in the UK, you are pretty well screwed. If your weather patterns typically come from the North/Northwest, the safest spots from fallout in the UK are the Isle of Skye and other isles in that area and western and southwestern parts of Ireland. |
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Post by ironhold on Jan 8, 2014 18:08:39 GMT
Used to be the Russians to worry about, Now it's the Chinese.Though the Russians are again testing and developing new missiles, all the while demanding the US dismantle our missile programs. I understand that Russia has also been upgrading the dead-hand system they put in place to retaliate in the event of a nuclear strike against Moscow. We need a new missile screen in place, especially with North Korea and Iran trying to get missiles going, but certain parties in Washington are too beholden to international opinion to actually do what needs to be done in this regards. |
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Post by User Unavailable on Jan 8, 2014 18:36:21 GMT
Used to be the Russians to worry about, Now it's the Chinese.Though the Russians are again testing and developing new missiles, all the while demanding the US dismantle our missile programs. I understand that Russia has also been upgrading the dead-hand system they put in place to retaliate in the event of a nuclear strike against Moscow. We need a new missile screen in place, especially with North Korea and Iran trying to get missiles going, but certain parties in Washington are too beholden to international opinion to actually do what needs to be done in this regards. Agreed. |
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 15, 2014 10:43:01 GMT
Dare I mention Dallas international airport?... If I remember correctly it was a HUGE topic on the old board about exactly what was buried underneath the tarmac there...?... Well, recently, those conspiracy theorists started with MAN, Manchester international... "There are tunnels underneath the runway"..... Damn straight there is. Shell Stanlow operates an oil refinery close to MAN, and there is a pipeline straight to the airport.... You see those trucks that turn up to refuel the aircraft?... you think just ONE of them will pump enough fuel to put an Airbus A380 half-way round the world?.... They are just a pump. They plug into the aircraft and into the Tarmac, and pump fuel from the pipe to the aircraft..... The tunnels are large enough that those pipes can be serviced, if needs be, without shutting the whole airport and digging up the things...?.... So Yes, there ARE tunnels under the runway. Service tunnels. Yes there is a Basement..... Where for you think they store Wellies, cold weather gear, snow shovels..... Plus the nuclear Bunkers that ARE in the Manchester area?... I know where they are. So does anyone else who has lived near them. But I aint going to publicise them on any message board.... Why not?... Because I like annoying conspiracy theorists.  |
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Jan 15, 2014 13:36:10 GMT
I know I am toast. Where we live in Manchester, we are close to Aerospace engineering, Rolls Royce make Aero engines, we have a couple of Military airports near..... and a HUGE international airport that is second to none, its the biggest one outside london. (Its actually bigger than some london airports...)too many targets to not be on a primary hit list. MAD, Mutual Assured Destruction. I try not to think about it, because I hope humanity is not that stupid... We all need something to believe in, dont we?.... There are advantages to living in an area with almost nothing important. I'm in the same boat as SD. Within 50 miles of me are multiple military contractors: Sikorsky, Pratt & Whitney, Electric Boat. Within that same 50 miles there are also three airports (including two of the busiest in the world): Laquardia, JFK, Bradley. Then again, there are also two large economic targets in that 50 miles radius: Hartford & Wall Street. I think SD & I need to be heading to Iowa or Wyoming or Oregon, those all seem like places that are safe from nuclear attack. |
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 16, 2014 19:57:51 GMT
Personally, I'm right near Onizuka AFB. Last I heard, they did the DOD's satellite control.
Not to mention Silicon Valley and SF.
I grew up about a mile from an old NIKE missile base. It was a cool place to explore after they abandoned it, but I remember when it was active.
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 16, 2014 20:04:29 GMT
I know I am toast. Where we live in Manchester, we are close to Aerospace engineering, Rolls Royce make Aero engines, we have a couple of Military airports near..... and a HUGE international airport that is second to none, its the biggest one outside london. (Its actually bigger than some london airports...)too many targets to not be on a primary hit list. MAD, Mutual Assured Destruction. I try not to think about it, because I hope humanity is not that stupid... We all need something to believe in, dont we?.... One of the great ironies of history: Nuclear weapons have killed fewer people than any other weapon. As far as killing machines go, they've been a waste of time and money. THANK GOD! Also, consider that since their introduction, "World Wars" on the scale of WW1 and WW2 are a thing of the past. This, of course, is due to MAD. It's horrible, it's frightening, it's a sword hanging over our heads...absolutely. But it kept the peace. Unfortunately, we are entering into an era where a nuclear power may think "Assured Destruction" doesn't matter, as long as they have company. |
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Post by the light works on Jan 17, 2014 0:26:47 GMT
I know I am toast. Where we live in Manchester, we are close to Aerospace engineering, Rolls Royce make Aero engines, we have a couple of Military airports near..... and a HUGE international airport that is second to none, its the biggest one outside london. (Its actually bigger than some london airports...)too many targets to not be on a primary hit list. MAD, Mutual Assured Destruction. I try not to think about it, because I hope humanity is not that stupid... We all need something to believe in, dont we?.... One of the great ironies of history: Nuclear weapons have killed fewer people than any other weapon. As far as killing machines go, they've been a waste of time and money. THANK GOD! Also, consider that since their introduction, "World Wars" on the scale of WW1 and WW2 are a thing of the past. This, of course, is due to MAD. It's horrible, it's frightening, it's a sword hanging over our heads...absolutely. But it kept the peace. Unfortunately, we are entering into an era where a nuclear power may think "Assured Destruction" doesn't matter, as long as they have company. or is simply in denial about it happening to them. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 17, 2014 0:31:52 GMT
It is debatable as to if nuclear weapons have stopped wars, they do seem to have kept them at a smaller and more local level and certainly in the case of the Korean war acted as a check on how far the military was allowed to go.
A bigger factor in preventing large scale wars has always tended to be economics and trade - although paradoxically 'free trade' has also been one of the major reasons for going to war. It makes more sense to trade for goods than to fight for them, and the increase in global trading has probably been more important for keeping the peace in the last 20 odd years than anything else.
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Post by the light works on Jan 17, 2014 1:03:47 GMT
It is debatable as to if nuclear weapons have stopped wars, they do seem to have kept them at a smaller and more local level and certainly in the case of the Korean war acted as a check on how far the military was allowed to go. A bigger factor in preventing large scale wars has always tended to be economics and trade - although paradoxically 'free trade' has also been one of the major reasons for going to war. It makes more sense to trade for goods than to fight for them, and the increase in global trading has probably been more important for keeping the peace in the last 20 odd years than anything else. Take Japan, for example; they entered WWII with the intention of getting possession of Hawaii. America kicked their backsides clear back to Japan. now they are buying real estate in Hawaii, and the Americans are lining up to sell. |
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Post by rmc on Jan 17, 2014 2:28:03 GMT
With utterly nothing to go on, but seeing the natural rise and fall of civilization, in general, I think I can make this bleak prediction: I see an economic collapse of some sort being realistic, followed by any number of plagues. If that should start a sort of 'dark ages' period, then throw in an odd nuke or two here and there, mix in just a few nuclear accidents too, during the bleaker periods. We'd be doing good just to crawl out of that sort of so-called middle ages by the time the next ice age hits. But, this time, there won't be any wooly mammoths to get us through.
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Post by the light works on Jan 17, 2014 2:39:32 GMT
With utterly nothing to go on, but seeing the natural rise and fall of civilization, in general, I think I can make this bleak prediction: I see an economic collapse of some sort being realistic, followed by any number of plagues. If that should start a sort of 'dark ages' period, then throw in an odd nuke or two here and there, mix in just a few nuclear accidents too, during the bleaker periods. We'd be doing good just to crawl out of that sort of so-called middle ages by the time the next ice age hits. But, this time, there won't be any wooly mammoths to get us through. I see more of a Marxist uprising than an economic collapse. |
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Jan 17, 2014 3:57:53 GMT
Personally, I'm right near Onizuka AFB. Last I heard, they did the DOD's satellite control. Not to mention Silicon Valley and SF. I grew up about a mile from an old NIKE missile base. It was a cool place to explore after they abandoned it, but I remember when it was active. Had a NIKE site in my hometown. It was demilitarized before I was born. It's now a public park full of basketball courts. |
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Post by the light works on Jan 17, 2014 5:53:49 GMT
Personally, I'm right near Onizuka AFB. Last I heard, they did the DOD's satellite control. Not to mention Silicon Valley and SF. I grew up about a mile from an old NIKE missile base. It was a cool place to explore after they abandoned it, but I remember when it was active. Had a NIKE site in my hometown. It was demilitarized before I was born. It's now a public park full of basketball courts. the only Nike site I am aware of is University of Oregon. |
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 17, 2014 7:31:44 GMT
.... But the only times they were used, it ended a war.....
All hail to thanking whatever Deity is important to you, and yes, they are now obsolete, and may they stay that way, but it was certainly a deal breaker.
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