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Post by the light works on Jun 20, 2016 15:52:07 GMT
No offense to TLW, but is Oregon becoming the new center for weird? It's been Portland's specialty for years.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jun 20, 2016 16:03:56 GMT
No offense to TLW, but is Oregon becoming the new center for weird? It's been Portland's specialty for years. And it's really too bad. Portland, like San Fran, use to be a really nice city. About 6 or 7 years ago, I had to go to San Fransco for business. I was really looking forward to it as I hadn't been there in about 25 years and use to really enjoy visiting there. What a disappointment that trip was. In fact, I would say it was down right disgusting as to what had become of once the most beautiful city in the U.S. I don't think I would want to visit either one anymore.
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 20, 2016 23:10:34 GMT
Had a little conversation with Girlfriend and Boy over dinner tonight about all this transgender craziness going on in the US right now and told them the story about the school with the trans kid being forced by the courts to let him change in the girls' locker room.
You should have seen Boy's face when he heard about that one!
See, here's the thing. He's 10 years old and knows the difference between boys and girls and he doesn't want girls in the boys' locker room any more than the girls want boys in theirs, so he immediately took the girls' side of the argument. He could vividly imagine how uncomfortable something like that would make him feel, so he naturally assumed those girls felt the same way.
His comment on the matter?
"That's so stupid! A boy doesn't magically become a girl just because he says so! If anyone ever tries to force me to shower and change in a locker room with a girl who says she's a boy, everyone will just have to deal with my sweaty butt in class for the rest of the day, 'cause I'm not doing it!"
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Post by GTCGreg on Jun 21, 2016 0:01:03 GMT
Had a little conversation with Girlfriend and Boy over dinner tonight about all this transgender craziness going on in the US right now and told them the story about the school with the trans kid being forced by the courts to let him change in the girls' locker room. You should have seen Boy's face when he heard about that one! See, here's the thing. He's 10 years old and knows the difference between boys and girls and he doesn't want girls in the boys' locker room any more than the girls want boys in theirs, so he immediately took the girls' side of the argument. He could vividly imagine how uncomfortable something like that would make him feel, so he naturally assumed those girls felt the same way. His comment on the matter? "That's so stupid! A boy doesn't magically become a girl just because he says so! If anyone ever tries to force me to shower and change in a locker room with a girl who says she's a boy, everyone will just have to deal with my sweaty butt in class for the rest of the day, 'cause I'm not doing it!" So your boy has some common sense. He wouldn't do well over here. Just for the record, it's not our courts that have made this ruling. It's the Obama administration that has taken one of the old (1967 I think) discrimination laws and said it applies to transgenders. People didn't even know what a transgender was back then. The law was originally meant to apply to blacks.
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 21, 2016 0:14:03 GMT
Had a little conversation with Girlfriend and Boy over dinner tonight about all this transgender craziness going on in the US right now and told them the story about the school with the trans kid being forced by the courts to let him change in the girls' locker room. You should have seen Boy's face when he heard about that one! See, here's the thing. He's 10 years old and knows the difference between boys and girls and he doesn't want girls in the boys' locker room any more than the girls want boys in theirs, so he immediately took the girls' side of the argument. He could vividly imagine how uncomfortable something like that would make him feel, so he naturally assumed those girls felt the same way. His comment on the matter? "That's so stupid! A boy doesn't magically become a girl just because he says so! If anyone ever tries to force me to shower and change in a locker room with a girl who says she's a boy, everyone will just have to deal with my sweaty butt in class for the rest of the day, 'cause I'm not doing it!" So your boy has some common sense. He wouldn't do well over here. Just for the record, it's not our courts that have made this ruling. It's the Obama administration that has taken one of the old (1967 I think) discrimination laws and said it applies to transgenders. People didn't even know what a transgender was back then. The law was originally meant to apply to blacks. Wow... He's really trying to stir the pot and make sure there's no lame duck in his presidential stew for the last 6 months he's in office, isn't he?
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Post by silverdragon on Jun 21, 2016 5:22:24 GMT
I have asked my own kids how they would react. They all know the same "He-she" in the same year as my youngest, its a [born-a-girl-only-because-nature-ran-out-of-d*cks-on-that-day]... As the kids describe it, "moooOOOOooose" They considered the point of having that being allowed to change in the boys changing rooms, and all voted to leave.
Its not that they cant get over the idea of they just dont like that kid, they can see past that, its more "Its just not right". If the idea is to just allow anyone to make up their mind "on the day", then whats to stop one of them deciding to be voyeuristic just for the experience?... Kid 1 said he always wanted to learn how to play hockey, so getting to spend a day with the girls, in more ways than one, whats to loose?..
However, on further reflection, they decided against.
Reason one, all of them have had "predatory" Girls trying to make friends with them in the same year as them, and would feel pressured by that. Reason two, some of them are from different religions, ...
Now here is a thing. If one of the girls is from a religion that absolutely definitely no messin' cant jump this one PROHIBITS them from changing in front of a male?... can they still refuse to allow the himshe into the changing room?..
Kid one asked his current G/F to sit in on the discussion, as we wanted her view as a woman, and we asked my Wife/their Mum to give her opinion as well at the same time. She was terrified, my Wife agreed. Not of us, but why the hell are we having this discussion.... It was outlined that this case of the Orlando school before we started, but still "Why are we even thinking this is going to be OK to do?." "I am glad I am out of the school system, thats taking it too far" was the eventual consensus.
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Post by the light works on Jun 21, 2016 5:44:41 GMT
bottom line: if I am interpreting it correctly, "indecent exposure" consists of having gender specific genitalia exposed in the company of people not of that gender. exposing people to gender specific genitalia against their wishes constitutes sexual harassment.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Jun 21, 2016 13:02:39 GMT
Had a little conversation with Girlfriend and Boy over dinner tonight about all this transgender craziness going on in the US right now and told them the story about the school with the trans kid being forced by the courts to let him change in the girls' locker room. You should have seen Boy's face when he heard about that one! See, here's the thing. He's 10 years old and knows the difference between boys and girls and he doesn't want girls in the boys' locker room any more than the girls want boys in theirs, so he immediately took the girls' side of the argument. He could vividly imagine how uncomfortable something like that would make him feel, so he naturally assumed those girls felt the same way. His comment on the matter? "That's so stupid! A boy doesn't magically become a girl just because he says so! If anyone ever tries to force me to shower and change in a locker room with a girl who says she's a boy, everyone will just have to deal with my sweaty butt in class for the rest of the day, 'cause I'm not doing it!" Boy is wise beyond his years and officially has more common sense than the eight fossils in the Supreme Court. He gets bonus points for effective use of the term 'sweaty butt'.
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 21, 2016 16:16:04 GMT
Had a little conversation with Girlfriend and Boy over dinner tonight about all this transgender craziness going on in the US right now and told them the story about the school with the trans kid being forced by the courts to let him change in the girls' locker room. You should have seen Boy's face when he heard about that one! See, here's the thing. He's 10 years old and knows the difference between boys and girls and he doesn't want girls in the boys' locker room any more than the girls want boys in theirs, so he immediately took the girls' side of the argument. He could vividly imagine how uncomfortable something like that would make him feel, so he naturally assumed those girls felt the same way. His comment on the matter? "That's so stupid! A boy doesn't magically become a girl just because he says so! If anyone ever tries to force me to shower and change in a locker room with a girl who says she's a boy, everyone will just have to deal with my sweaty butt in class for the rest of the day, 'cause I'm not doing it!" Boy is wise beyond his years and officially has more common sense than the eight fossils in the Supreme Court. He gets bonus points for effective use of the term 'sweaty butt'. But that's the thing, isn't it? He really isn't wise beyond his years. He just applies his 10-year old logic, which is apparently something the Supreme Court judges are having difficulties keeping up with. And yes, he did get a high five for the effective use of the term 'sweaty butt'
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Post by silverdragon on Jun 22, 2016 6:33:10 GMT
Boy is wise beyond his years and officially has more common sense than the eight fossils in the Supreme Court. He gets bonus points for effective use of the term 'sweaty butt'. But that's the thing, isn't it? He really isn't wise beyond his years. He just applies his 10-year old logic, which is apparently something the Supreme Court judges are having difficulties keeping up with. And yes, he did get a high five for the effective use of the term 'sweaty butt' I say he IS wise, because he has found a way to put his ideas eloquently into a form that "adults" can understand, in the knowledge that his opinion is valued. Wisdom is only useful if the audience understand what you are saying.
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 22, 2016 10:47:48 GMT
But that's the thing, isn't it? He really isn't wise beyond his years. He just applies his 10-year old logic, which is apparently something the Supreme Court judges are having difficulties keeping up with. And yes, he did get a high five for the effective use of the term 'sweaty butt' I say he IS wise, because he has found a way to put his ideas eloquently into a form that "adults" can understand, in the knowledge that his opinion is valued. Wisdom is only useful if the audience understand what you are saying. Not to take anything away from him here, but it's a rare occurrence for him to be that eloquent. He ususally starts mid-story and then it's 20 questions time for the rest of us to figure out the who, what, when, where and why. I swear, it's like he thinks other people are mind readers and just instinctively know what context to put whatever he's saying into. He's a smart kid, but when it comes to storytelling, he hasn't quite grasped the whole begginning, middle and end concept yet. Your average 6-year old is better at that than he is. It's something I'm planning to work on with him over the summer. He doesn't seem to think it's all that important, but his ambition right now is to become either an astronomer or a physicist when he grows up. As I've told him about 20 times by now, what good is any discovery he might make as a scientist if he isn't able to tell the story of what he's found in a way other people will understand? He's even gotten lazy with his "storytelling" when he does math. He'll do all the calculations in his head and come to the right answer, but he won't write those calculations down to show how he got there. He just writes the answer. Sure, that's not a huge problem yet when you're doing 3rd grade math, but his ambition is to get so good at it that he can "figure out the universe" (his own words). That will at some point require new math that no one has ever done before. If he skips the calculations and just publishes the final answer, how will anyone be able to understand his work? Math is as much about storytelling as anything else. The story is in the calculations that lead to the final answer and it's proof that you reached the right conclusion in the right way. If you don't provide the proof, you're just making unsubstantiated claims and no one will take you seriously. As you said, wisdom is only useful if the audience understands what you're saying.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Jun 22, 2016 13:40:36 GMT
I say he IS wise, because he has found a way to put his ideas eloquently into a form that "adults" can understand, in the knowledge that his opinion is valued. Wisdom is only useful if the audience understand what you are saying. Not to take anything away from him here, but it's a rare occurrence for him to be that eloquent. He ususally starts mid-story and then it's 20 questions time for the rest of us to figure out the who, what, when, where and why. I swear, it's like he thinks other people are mind readers and just instinctively know what context to put whatever he's saying into. He's a smart kid, but when it comes to storytelling, he hasn't quite grasped the whole begginning, middle and end concept yet. Your average 6-year old is better at that than he is. It's something I'm planning to work on with him over the summer. He doesn't seem to think it's all that important, but his ambition right now is to become either an astronomer or a physicist when he grows up. As I've told him about 20 times by now, what good is any discovery he might make as a scientist if he isn't able to tell the story of what he's found in a way other people will understand? He's even gotten lazy with his "storytelling" when he does math. He'll do all the calculations in his head and come to the right answer, but he won't write those calculations down to show how he got there. He just writes the answer. Sure, that's not a huge problem yet when you're doing 3rd grade math, but his ambition is to get so good at it that he can "figure out the universe" (his own words). That will at some point require new math that no one has ever done before. If he skips the calculations and just publishes the final answer, how will anyone be able to understand his work? Math is as much about storytelling as anything else. The story is in the calculations that lead to the final answer and it's proof that you reached the right conclusion in the right way. If you don't provide the proof, you're just making unsubstantiated claims and no one will take you seriously. As you said, wisdom is only useful if the audience understands what you're saying. I have a six-year-old at home and his stories are quite discombobulated at times. Him: "And then he made skittles explode out of it. I want one like that." Me: "Like what?" Him: "That thing he had that made skittles explode." Me: "Like who had?" Him: "The guy at the party." Me: "What guy at what party?" Him: "You don't listen to me. The guy at the party I went to." Me: (inaudible curse words)
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 22, 2016 13:44:13 GMT
Not to take anything away from him here, but it's a rare occurrence for him to be that eloquent. He ususally starts mid-story and then it's 20 questions time for the rest of us to figure out the who, what, when, where and why. I swear, it's like he thinks other people are mind readers and just instinctively know what context to put whatever he's saying into. He's a smart kid, but when it comes to storytelling, he hasn't quite grasped the whole begginning, middle and end concept yet. Your average 6-year old is better at that than he is. It's something I'm planning to work on with him over the summer. He doesn't seem to think it's all that important, but his ambition right now is to become either an astronomer or a physicist when he grows up. As I've told him about 20 times by now, what good is any discovery he might make as a scientist if he isn't able to tell the story of what he's found in a way other people will understand? He's even gotten lazy with his "storytelling" when he does math. He'll do all the calculations in his head and come to the right answer, but he won't write those calculations down to show how he got there. He just writes the answer. Sure, that's not a huge problem yet when you're doing 3rd grade math, but his ambition is to get so good at it that he can "figure out the universe" (his own words). That will at some point require new math that no one has ever done before. If he skips the calculations and just publishes the final answer, how will anyone be able to understand his work? Math is as much about storytelling as anything else. The story is in the calculations that lead to the final answer and it's proof that you reached the right conclusion in the right way. If you don't provide the proof, you're just making unsubstantiated claims and no one will take you seriously. As you said, wisdom is only useful if the audience understands what you're saying. I have a six-year-old at home and his stories are quite discombobulated at times. Him: "And then he made skittles explode out of it. I want one like that." Me: "Like what?" Him: "That thing he had that made skittles explode." Me: "Like who had?" Him: "The guy at the party." Me: "What guy at what party?" Him: "You don't listen to me. The guy at the party I went to." Me: (inaudible curse words) Imagine that still going on at age 10 and you've got Boy
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Jun 22, 2016 13:49:46 GMT
I have a six-year-old at home and his stories are quite discombobulated at times. Him: "And then he made skittles explode out of it. I want one like that." Me: "Like what?" Him: "That thing he had that made skittles explode." Me: "Like who had?" Him: "The guy at the party." Me: "What guy at what party?" Him: "You don't listen to me. The guy at the party I went to." Me: (inaudible curse words) Imagine that still going on at age 10 and you've got Boy If I'm lucky, his older sister also went to party and can fill in the blanks (while he gets mad at her because HE was telling daddy about it).
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Post by the light works on Jun 22, 2016 14:12:20 GMT
I say he IS wise, because he has found a way to put his ideas eloquently into a form that "adults" can understand, in the knowledge that his opinion is valued. Wisdom is only useful if the audience understand what you are saying. Not to take anything away from him here, but it's a rare occurrence for him to be that eloquent. He ususally starts mid-story and then it's 20 questions time for the rest of us to figure out the who, what, when, where and why. I swear, it's like he thinks other people are mind readers and just instinctively know what context to put whatever he's saying into. He's a smart kid, but when it comes to storytelling, he hasn't quite grasped the whole begginning, middle and end concept yet. Your average 6-year old is better at that than he is. It's something I'm planning to work on with him over the summer. He doesn't seem to think it's all that important, but his ambition right now is to become either an astronomer or a physicist when he grows up. As I've told him about 20 times by now, what good is any discovery he might make as a scientist if he isn't able to tell the story of what he's found in a way other people will understand? He's even gotten lazy with his "storytelling" when he does math. He'll do all the calculations in his head and come to the right answer, but he won't write those calculations down to show how he got there. He just writes the answer. Sure, that's not a huge problem yet when you're doing 3rd grade math, but his ambition is to get so good at it that he can "figure out the universe" (his own words). That will at some point require new math that no one has ever done before. If he skips the calculations and just publishes the final answer, how will anyone be able to understand his work? Math is as much about storytelling as anything else. The story is in the calculations that lead to the final answer and it's proof that you reached the right conclusion in the right way. If you don't provide the proof, you're just making unsubstantiated claims and no one will take you seriously. As you said, wisdom is only useful if the audience understands what you're saying. tell him the most important licensing I ever took, I took after spending the night from 2:00 in the morning fighting a house fire. I got about an hour and a half of sleep before I had to go take the test. I made simple math errors on 5 of the questions - but because I showed my work the guy evaluating the test could tell that I knew what I was doing but suffering the effects of exhaustion - and gave me partial credit, which let me pass the test.
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Post by silverdragon on Jun 23, 2016 5:04:55 GMT
Kid here just did a maths test.... "A" level. They did some evaluation on old papers. If they had just done all the right answers, and not shown the working out, it would have not been a pass. The working out marks are worth more than the answers.
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 23, 2016 9:34:15 GMT
Right. Any moron with a calculator can get the answers right. It's showing that you know how to do it WITHOUT the calculator that's important.
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Post by Lokifan on Jun 23, 2016 13:18:57 GMT
When interviewing engineers, occasionally, one of them would make an error on a test question.
That didn't disqualify them.
Instead, we would work the problem together to find the error.
How they analyzed and corrected the problem (especially working with me) told me more whether they were hireable or not--it gave me more info about their thought processes than if they had just written down the right answer.
What did disqualify them was if they couldn't see their error, or refused to admit the obvious.
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Post by the light works on Jun 23, 2016 13:29:03 GMT
In America, they don't teach the working out part, any more. used to be you had to prov you understood the concept before you were allowed to use a calculator, now you are told to bring a calculator.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jun 23, 2016 13:38:09 GMT
Always show your work.
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