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Post by silverdragon on Oct 5, 2017 8:16:23 GMT
I am creating this thread for the not-so-much headline news that doesnt fit elsewhere, the not exactly world news, not outstanding news, not world changing news, not stupid, not exactly "WTF" news, but the stuff you find towards the middle of the newspapers, sometimes just pollyfilla type news to fill out the papers, but may be of some interest to others.
I have noticed "some" articles of recent I havnt posted because they just didnt fit elesewhere, so I am creating a thread just for them, as some are worthy of discussion.
No Politics please, as usual.
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 5, 2017 8:31:05 GMT
source, BBC, www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41436057I wont post the pictures because, well, its a nude?.. But is it "Art"?. I have a few questions, for all. 1st is do you see the moaning Lisa as "The worlds most valuable painting", is it a "definite" on a bucket list of things to see, or, have you seen enough of it by now and have lost interest?. As an amateur art critic, being that this is my own opinion and not to be questioned by "Experts" that demand I change my mind... Its not that good?. I have seen better portrait paintings by Gainsborough, and thats just one example, there are many better paintings. But its by Leonardo?. Erm, so what?. Christopher Wren, built his own garden shed, and it was damn ugly, many years before he built St Pauls cathederal. Not every work by one artist is all that good. For me, I look at the Moaning Lisa, I see a painting, its not that brilliant, but sure as heck, I cant see what all the fuss is about?. As for this charcoal sketch they found... Its well known that moaning lisa went through several different variants before the final that we see on view today. So this is just another part of the myth and legend that keeps that painting "Current".
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 5, 2017 8:34:23 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41418556So you park your vehicle next to a paddock with a Donkey in it. Saying that, can I now sue the city of Manchester for allowing Pigeons to [Cr@p] all over my car whilst its sat in a city centre car park?.
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 5, 2017 8:41:59 GMT
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Post by the light works on Oct 5, 2017 13:57:29 GMT
source, BBC, www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41436057I wont post the pictures because, well, its a nude?.. But is it "Art"?. I have a few questions, for all. 1st is do you see the moaning Lisa as "The worlds most valuable painting", is it a "definite" on a bucket list of things to see, or, have you seen enough of it by now and have lost interest?. As an amateur art critic, being that this is my own opinion and not to be questioned by "Experts" that demand I change my mind... Its not that good?. I have seen better portrait paintings by Gainsborough, and thats just one example, there are many better paintings. But its by Leonardo?. Erm, so what?. Christopher Wren, built his own garden shed, and it was damn ugly, many years before he built St Pauls cathederal. Not every work by one artist is all that good. For me, I look at the Moaning Lisa, I see a painting, its not that brilliant, but sure as heck, I cant see what all the fuss is about?. As for this charcoal sketch they found... Its well known that moaning lisa went through several different variants before the final that we see on view today. So this is just another part of the myth and legend that keeps that painting "Current". seen pictures of the painting, that's as much as I NEED. if I have the opportunity, I might look at the original just to say I have done so; but my taste in decor is definitely not in compliance with the principle of idolizing certain prominent artists. I actually triggered a parent of a trained artist once by mentioning I base my judgement of art by whether I like to look at it or not.
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 5, 2017 14:27:13 GMT
As for the Mona Lisa, nothing in that painting that I find that exceptional. But then, I'm not an art critic. As far as paintings in general, I prefer nature scenes.
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Post by Lokifan on Oct 5, 2017 14:51:09 GMT
Everyone I know who has seen the Mona Lisa has said it's smaller than they expected, it's darker than they expected, and that the line to see it and the security surrounding it detracted and distracted from appreciating it much.
Still, if I'm ever in France, I'd like to see it, just because of all the fuss made about it.
Me, of the famous artists, I prefer Michelangelo in general. Once, when stuck on Rodeo Drive in Beverley Hills for an afternoon, I went into a store that was selling Rembrandts next to Picassos, and placing them side by side for comparison. I could see the talent and effort to create the Rembrandt, but as for the Picassos, they seemed almost a simple satire of the Rembrandts--simplistic and crudely drawn.
Likewise, the last time I went into an art museum, I went through the modern art side saying "Why would anyone call this art?", while the traditional, representative art section was frankly often awe inspiring.
In my opinion, if you have to be severely argued into liking a piece of art, you've just been conned more than educated. Art either speaks to you or not.
Call me unsophisticated, I guess.
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Post by Lokifan on Oct 5, 2017 14:55:25 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41418556So you park your vehicle next to a paddock with a Donkey in it. Saying that, can I now sue the city of Manchester for allowing Pigeons to [Cr@p] all over my car whilst its sat in a city centre car park?. If the car was legally parked on public property, then the donkey's owner should have controlled their animal better (with a better fence, perhaps?). If the car was parked illegally on the donkey owner's property, then the car owner is responsible. Pigeons don't belong to anyone, and pester us all equally. So, it's hard to blame Manchester for their actions.
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Post by the light works on Oct 5, 2017 14:58:15 GMT
Everyone I know who has seen the Mona Lisa has said it's smaller than they expected, it's darker than they expected, and that the line to see it and the security surrounding it detracted and distracted from appreciating it much. Still, if I'm ever in France, I'd like to see it, just because of all the fuss made about it. Me, of the famous artists, I prefer Michelangelo in general. Once, when stuck on Rodeo Drive in Beverley Hills for an afternoon, I went into a store that was selling Rembrandts next to Picassos, and placing them side by side for comparison. I could see the talent and effort to create the Rembrandt, but as for the Picassos, they seemed almost a simple satire of the Rembrandts--simplistic and crudely drawn. Likewise, the last time I went into an art museum, I went through the modern art side saying "Why would anyone call this art?", while the traditional, representative art section was frankly often awe inspiring. In my opinion, if you have to be severely argued into liking a piece of art, you've just been conned more than educated. Art either speaks to you or not. Call me unsophisticated, I guess. the one most compelling piece of "modern art" I have seen was done by a man who would describe himself as amateurish. and was just doing it as an exercise in goofing off. I can accept arguments about skill and effort and workmanship. but that doesn't mean I agree with the subject matter.
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 5, 2017 15:02:54 GMT
If it needs an explanation , it's not art.
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Post by Lokifan on Oct 5, 2017 15:13:56 GMT
If it needs an explanation , it's not art. Depends. I had someone once point out something I'd missed about an art film I saw. When I saw it by myself, I thought the plot was a complete mess, but after this one line explanation, the film made complete sense when I rewatched it, and even seemed quite clever and intriguing. On the other hand, I've seen quite a few movies that were bad before and after someone "explained" them to me.
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 5, 2017 15:27:06 GMT
If it needs an explanation , it's not art. Depends. I had someone once point out something I'd missed about an art film I saw. When I saw it by myself, I thought the plot was a complete mess, but after this one line explanation, the film made complete sense when I rewatched it, and even seemed quite clever and intriguing. On the other hand, I've seen quite a few movies that were bad before and after someone "explained" them to me. I was referring more to paintings than films. But as far as films go, if it takes a scorecard to follow the plot, I'm generally not interested.
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Post by the light works on Oct 6, 2017 0:21:42 GMT
Depends. I had someone once point out something I'd missed about an art film I saw. When I saw it by myself, I thought the plot was a complete mess, but after this one line explanation, the film made complete sense when I rewatched it, and even seemed quite clever and intriguing. On the other hand, I've seen quite a few movies that were bad before and after someone "explained" them to me. I was referring more to paintings than films. But as far as films go, if it takes a scorecard to follow the plot, I'm generally not interested. if I just missed seeing something at the beginning, it's not so bad, but as you say, if I need crib notes, the writer/director done screwed up.
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 6, 2017 6:38:18 GMT
I have triggered [..I love that expression?.. ] art boooores by stating things in front of them....
I describe myself as amateur, because that is all I wish to be, but, because of family history, I have seen a lot of art. That being my Mum and Dad on cold wet windy days on holidays, rather than stay getting cabin fever staring at four walls whilst "Us kids" were getting bored and fighting, would take us to see museums, art galleries, and the like, just for the walk round as exercise and something to do. Balls to Picasso. He was the father of cubism?.. and so what?. I still dont like what he does. Rodin did some good sculpting, he was called "Modern art" in his time, but he was very good at what he did.. I really like his "Gates of hell", Unfinished, because, well, he didnt have the time?. But would I won one?. No. Not because I dont like them that much. The traditional English landscape painters, I absolutely love, but again, I would not own an original. Why?. Because owning a valuable piece would scare the crud outa me soooo much I wouldnt be able to enjoy them?.
So I would own a copy?. Hell yeah, why not?. {I have some copies} I also own a few pieces by a certain artist who loves tigers... Stephen Gayford. His works are absolutely fantastic, I bought them for my wife, who is as much into wild cats as I am into Dragons. They are valuable, but not into thousands, certainly NOT telephone number valuable, and not so much we are targets of art thieves?. Therefore, we can enjoy them for what they are.
But still I am entitled to an opinion, that is my own opinion, and one that echoes all NOT-an-art-booooore the world over. If I dont understand it, what is the point?. If it has to be explained, you got it wrong. And there is NO POINT in the art bores pointing out to me that you need to be educated to "Understand", I am educated, just not in the stupidity of being a snob over it, nor do I wish to know about esoterical sides that only art lovers can understand.
It has to stand out for its own sake.
And it has to mirror true life. Or at lest look like it does... It doesnt have to be a real lake in a picture, but as long as it looks real to the untrained eye, thats fine for me.
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Post by the light works on Oct 6, 2017 13:44:44 GMT
I have triggered [..I love that expression?.. ] art boooores by stating things in front of them.... I describe myself as amateur, because that is all I wish to be, but, because of family history, I have seen a lot of art. That being my Mum and Dad on cold wet windy days on holidays, rather than stay getting cabin fever staring at four walls whilst "Us kids" were getting bored and fighting, would take us to see museums, art galleries, and the like, just for the walk round as exercise and something to do. Balls to Picasso. He was the father of cubism?.. and so what?. I still dont like what he does. Rodin did some good sculpting, he was called "Modern art" in his time, but he was very good at what he did.. I really like his "Gates of hell", Unfinished, because, well, he didnt have the time?. But would I won one?. No. Not because I dont like them that much. The traditional English landscape painters, I absolutely love, but again, I would not own an original. Why?. Because owning a valuable piece would scare the crud outa me soooo much I wouldnt be able to enjoy them?. So I would own a copy?. Hell yeah, why not?. {I have some copies} I also own a few pieces by a certain artist who loves tigers... Stephen Gayford. His works are absolutely fantastic, I bought them for my wife, who is as much into wild cats as I am into Dragons. They are valuable, but not into thousands, certainly NOT telephone number valuable, and not so much we are targets of art thieves?. Therefore, we can enjoy them for what they are. But still I am entitled to an opinion, that is my own opinion, and one that echoes all NOT-an-art-booooore the world over. If I dont understand it, what is the point?. If it has to be explained, you got it wrong. And there is NO POINT in the art bores pointing out to me that you need to be educated to "Understand", I am educated, just not in the stupidity of being a snob over it, nor do I wish to know about esoterical sides that only art lovers can understand. It has to stand out for its own sake. And it has to mirror true life. Or at lest look like it does... It doesnt have to be a real lake in a picture, but as long as it looks real to the untrained eye, thats fine for me. sometime, I (or you) will have to tell an art snob, "but for the price of the painting, I could buy the actual lake."
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 6, 2017 14:12:45 GMT
I have triggered [..I love that expression?.. ] art boooores by stating things in front of them.... [Cut for brevity] It doesnt have to be a real lake in a picture, but as long as it looks real to the untrained eye, thats fine for me. sometime, I (or you) will have to tell an art snob, "but for the price of the painting, I could buy the actual lake." Ahh... erm... ahead of you there?. Whilst looking at a painting of a chair, someone remarked on the price of the artwork, and I said I would be able to buy the chair 10 time over for that price even if it was Chippendale, and half a dozen chairs are more useful than one painting. And would leave me enough for a table as well. He looked at me kind weird, so I added, "Or dont you think that the sculpting of a Chippendale chair is not in its self an art form?.." I had to leave, I could see his brain doing mental press-ups trying to work out what I was saying there?. So there is the next question. A Landscape by say George Lambert, of maybe a landscape of an English Manor house done by Capability Brown, the well known Gardener, which is art?. The painting, of the creating of a huge natural lake by moving mountains and creating a natural looking parkland?. I would rather be looking out of a window at the real landscape than at a painting of it.
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Post by the light works on Oct 6, 2017 14:26:49 GMT
www.newslincolncounty.com/archives/188828so, in the page, they call this as a structure fire at (address) being an unhydranted area, I respond in the tender. - and say on the radio I am responding in the tender. as the efforts progress, incident command tells the second due tender to stage at the next fire station. so I say on the radio that I will stage at the midtown station - again, announcing myself as the tender. as the efforts progress, incident command tries to call me in my quick attack... I reply as the tender. his response. "oh, you brought the tender?" umm - yeah, I'm going to a structure fire with no hydrants... I'm bringing my hydrant with me. which reminds me, I have paperwork to do.
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 6, 2017 14:53:27 GMT
Oh, Its 'Brian', he usually drives a Toyota, why the hell is he driving a Ford?. I had that question when I turn up one day when my car was in for an MOT so borrowed a friends.
At Work, one day, I turn up at a call in a DAF truck, first question the ask, "Where's the Volvo then?..."
I point at the YELLOW cab and remind them the Volvo is usually liveried with company logo in Red and White, a Global brand name, and that I am driving for another company?.. "So you cant get them to send you in the Volvo?..." He was serious...... he was just the security though, and well used to seeing me in Red-and-White?. Sometimes up to three times a day.
And its in the water I think. The Transport manager, next guy in line from the security on gates, sees me, says "your early", and starts to sort out paperwork for that Red and White company. Despite me standing next a big YELLOW truck... did I mention its YELLOW yet?. I open the curtains, and its now beginning to dawn on him I am delivering today, not collecting.... "But thats supposed to come with....." it trails off when he puts two and two together and doesnt get Five, I think he might have seen the YELLOW truck now, because he continues with "Why are you driving for them?.. I suppose [red-and-white] is going to be late today now isnt it?."
I think I had him confused all over, it gets worse, three days later, I arrive in a GREEN truck, also a Volvo, but neither yellow or red-and-white, and he has no idea what I am there for?.
He does know me by first name, and that depot have used me in the past, as Agency driver, but he just cant get his head around me working for different companies, or driving different trucks.
I did have a plan in place to arrive one day on the early shift in the Red-and-White, then get back swap companies and come back in the Green, just to see if his head would unscrew?.. unfortunately, working time directives, I never did the driving hours to do that. Shame, eh?.. that would have been some dash-cam footage I would have loved to share.
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Post by the light works on Oct 6, 2017 15:01:05 GMT
Oh, Its 'Brian', he usually drives a Toyota, why the hell is he driving a Ford?. I had that question when I turn up one day when my car was in for an MOT so borrowed a friends. At Work, one day, I turn up at a call in a DAF truck, first question the ask, "Where's the Volvo then?..." I point at the YELLOW cab and remind them the Volvo is usually liveried with company logo in Red and White, a Global brand name, and that I am driving for another company?.. "So you cant get them to send you in the Volvo?..." He was serious...... he was just the security though, and well used to seeing me in Red-and-White?. Sometimes up to three times a day. And its in the water I think. The Transport manager, next guy in line from the security on gates, sees me, says "your early", and starts to sort out paperwork for that Red and White company. Despite me standing next a big YELLOW truck... did I mention its YELLOW yet?. I open the curtains, and its now beginning to dawn on him I am delivering today, not collecting.... "But thats supposed to come with....." it trails off when he puts two and two together and doesnt get Five, I think he might have seen the YELLOW truck now, because he continues with "Why are you driving for them?.. I suppose [red-and-white] is going to be late today now isnt it?." I think I had him confused all over, it gets worse, three days later, I arrive in a GREEN truck, also a Volvo, but neither yellow or red-and-white, and he has no idea what I am there for?. He does know me by first name, and that depot have used me in the past, as Agency driver, but he just cant get his head around me working for different companies, or driving different trucks. I did have a plan in place to arrive one day on the early shift in the Red-and-White, then get back swap companies and come back in the Green, just to see if his head would unscrew?.. unfortunately, working time directives, I never did the driving hours to do that. Shame, eh?.. that would have been some dash-cam footage I would have loved to share. so you enlist a couple of cronies... and find a big enough car park in the neighborhood to accommodate all three trucks at once...
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 6, 2017 15:03:53 GMT
Oh, Its 'Brian', he usually drives a Toyota, why the hell is he driving a Ford?. I had that question when I turn up one day when my car was in for an MOT so borrowed a friends. At Work, one day, I turn up at a call in a DAF truck, first question the ask, "Where's the Volvo then?..." I point at the YELLOW cab and remind them the Volvo is usually liveried with company logo in Red and White, a Global brand name, and that I am driving for another company?.. "So you cant get them to send you in the Volvo?..." He was serious...... he was just the security though, and well used to seeing me in Red-and-White?. Sometimes up to three times a day. And its in the water I think. The Transport manager, next guy in line from the security on gates, sees me, says "your early", and starts to sort out paperwork for that Red and White company. Despite me standing next a big YELLOW truck... did I mention its YELLOW yet?. I open the curtains, and its now beginning to dawn on him I am delivering today, not collecting.... "But thats supposed to come with....." it trails off when he puts two and two together and doesnt get Five, I think he might have seen the YELLOW truck now, because he continues with "Why are you driving for them?.. I suppose [red-and-white] is going to be late today now isnt it?." I think I had him confused all over, it gets worse, three days later, I arrive in a GREEN truck, also a Volvo, but neither yellow or red-and-white, and he has no idea what I am there for?. He does know me by first name, and that depot have used me in the past, as Agency driver, but he just cant get his head around me working for different companies, or driving different trucks. I did have a plan in place to arrive one day on the early shift in the Red-and-White, then get back swap companies and come back in the Green, just to see if his head would unscrew?.. unfortunately, working time directives, I never did the driving hours to do that. Shame, eh?.. that would have been some dash-cam footage I would have loved to share. so you enlist a couple of cronies... and find a big enough car park in the neighborhood to accommodate all three trucks at once... I must bow to a more evil mind than me that could come up with that plan?.. Heh heh heh. I may have to try and work on that.
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