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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 16, 2021 14:11:39 GMT
There is evidence to indicate that Discovery has been cancelled, but there's just enough going on to where Midnight's Edge cannot officially call it. If they really did cancel Discovery, it’s two years too late. Just my opinion.
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Post by ironhold on Jan 16, 2021 17:52:13 GMT
There is evidence to indicate that Discovery has been cancelled, but there's just enough going on to where Midnight's Edge cannot officially call it. If they really did cancel Discovery, it’s two years too late. Just my opinion. If you ask me, it shouldn't have been made in the first place.
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Post by wvengineer on Jan 17, 2021 1:14:28 GMT
Considering CBS already has started filming STD Season 4 and Picard Season 2, it won't be canceled for this next season due to the money they already have invested in it.
We've been here before where there was "evidence" that they were canceling STD, or SW and they kept making it anyway. STD was supposedly going to be canceled after season 1, but here we are. Based on the track records of some of these rumor mongers, I would not put any faith in it until they actually make an announcement.
The original idea that became STD might have been able to be interesting on it's own, but once they started reworking it into a ST show, it nosedived.
I'm not saying STD is good, but these internet rumor mills are pretty consistently wrong about these major "leaks"
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Post by the light works on Jan 17, 2021 16:10:57 GMT
Considering CBS already has started filming STD Season 4 and Picard Season 2, it won't be canceled for this next season due to the money they already have invested in it. We've been here before where there was "evidence" that they were canceling STD, or SW and they kept making it anyway. STD was supposedly going to be canceled after season 1, but here we are. Based on the track records of some of these rumor mongers, I would not put any faith in it until they actually make an announcement. The original idea that became STD might have been able to be interesting on it's own, but once they started reworking it into a ST show, it nosedived. I'm not saying STD is good, but these internet rumor mills are pretty consistently wrong about these major "leaks" glad I'm not the only one who has that impression of the internet rumormongers. it's like they have nothing creative of their own, so they seek to tear down everything around them, whether it's bad or not. I agree with you that the basic premise of STD seems to have had potential, but it should have been its own show, not a bizarre offshoot of star trek.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 17, 2021 21:51:24 GMT
For me, STD was a bust from the start. Not just because it did not live up to Star Trek, it was just a bad show from the beginning. And I really tried to like it. But by the middle of the first season, I just decided I was wasting my time and gave up.
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Post by wvengineer on Apr 14, 2024 19:46:27 GMT
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Post by ironhold on Apr 14, 2024 21:47:48 GMT
Lower Decks had a *very* mixed reaction among long-time fans when it first came out, as it showed a dangerously dysfunctional ship that was a hazard for everyone involved due to apathy, lack of protocol, and so forth. That the content got so incredibly risqué at times didn't help matters any, and if anything means that even the Armed Forces Network, who aired the "Short Treks" as a Thanksgiving Day special one year, likely won't touch it.
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 14, 2024 22:20:33 GMT
I also really liked lower decks. The only problem is they talked so fast and threw out so many parities to other ST series that I couldn't keep up. I had to put on closed caption and then keep kitting the pause button to follow it. As for Strange New Worlds, I think it is one of the best ST franchises to date. Did you see the one where they combined both Strange New Worlds and Below Decks in one episode? Loved it! And Picard season three was pretty good. I didn't care much for season two. In fact, I only watched the first few episodes and gave up on it.
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Post by the light works on Apr 14, 2024 22:28:55 GMT
the fact that it really hasn't been on TV pretty much tanked any chance of me watching any of them.
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Post by wvengineer on Apr 15, 2024 0:06:31 GMT
Lower Decks had a *very* mixed reaction among long-time fans when it first came out, as it showed a dangerously dysfunctional ship that was a hazard for everyone involved due to apathy, lack of protocol, and so forth. That the content got so incredibly risqué at times didn't help matters any, and if anything means that even the Armed Forces Network, who aired the "Short Treks" as a Thanksgiving Day special one year, likely won't touch it. The first couple episodes were a bit of a mess. However, it quickly found it's footing. The context of LD is that outside of the hero ships, it is normal people trying to deal with extraordinary situations. Normal people are going to be somewhat dysfunctional. That is what is so relatable about Lower Decks. The people are a lot more believable than your classic Roddenberry heros. Star Trek has so many tropes and things that are fairly disturbing if you stop to think about it. LD took the opportunity to not only acknowledge those tropes, but to make fun of them. The risque stuff actually gets less and less as the show progresses. I find it interesting that a few months ago, they announced that STD is officially not being renewed for season six and the online reaction was basically "meh." Lower Disks is getting quite a bit of outcry. Overall it looks to be a lot more popular than STD was. It is possible that 5 years is the new Star Trek full series normal. The Next Generation, Deep Space 9, and Voyager all ran for 7 seasons. STD and Lower Decks both ran for 5. We'll see where Strange New Worlds goes.
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Post by wvengineer on Apr 15, 2024 0:11:06 GMT
the fact that it really hasn't been on TV pretty much tanked any chance of me watching any of them. I get Paramount Plus as a freebie with my cell phone serves (it also includes HBO MAX, basic Hulu, and Disney+) so I catch it there. I like both LD and SNW enough that I have been getting the DVD/Bluerays of them. I have converted those discs to digital files that I have copies of on my Plex server.
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Post by ironhold on Apr 15, 2024 0:13:15 GMT
Lower Decks had a *very* mixed reaction among long-time fans when it first came out, as it showed a dangerously dysfunctional ship that was a hazard for everyone involved due to apathy, lack of protocol, and so forth. That the content got so incredibly risqué at times didn't help matters any, and if anything means that even the Armed Forces Network, who aired the "Short Treks" as a Thanksgiving Day special one year, likely won't touch it. The first couple episodes were a bit of a mess. However, it quickly found it's footing. The context of LD is that outside of the hero ships, it is normal people trying to deal with extraordinary situations. Normal people are going to be somewhat dysfunctional. That is what is so relatable about Lower Decks. The people are a lot more believable than your classic Roddenberry heros. Star Trek has so many tropes and things that are fairly disturbing if you stop to think about it. LD took the opportunity to not only acknowledge those tropes, but to make fun of them. The risque stuff actually gets less and less as the show progresses. I find it interesting that a few months ago, they announced that STD is officially not being renewed for season six and the online reaction was basically "meh." Lower Disks is getting quite a bit of outcry. Overall it looks to be a lot more popular than STD was. It is possible that 5 years is the new Star Trek full series normal. The Next Generation, Deep Space 9, and Voyager all ran for 7 seasons. STD and Lower Decks both ran for 5. We'll see where Strange New Worlds goes. I'd say it's case by case. TNG and DS9 were syndicated, and so they *had to* hit it out of the park more often than not just to stay alive. So for them to last that long in syndication is a near miracle. Voyager, OTOH, was a network show, and I've heard a lot of fans complain that in retrospect being a network show was the worst thing that could have happened since UPN kept the show going far longer than it should have and allowed mediocrity to set in. Enterprise only had 4 seasons. At a mere 98 episodes, there's a chance it wouldn't have even made its way to syndication if not for it being a Trek series, as the golden standard these days is an even 100. From what I understand, Enterprise was just a mixed bag that suffered from executive meddling and other drama. STD was functionally dead on arrival, so 5 seasons is likely the studio trying to artificially keep it going like what happened with Voyager. Lower Decks could, then, be collateral damage from STD finally collapsing. And Short Treks actually was dead on arrival, so there's that to worry about. I hate to say it, but Trek might be better off going back to an era when it had to fight for every last percentage point it got.
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Post by wvengineer on Apr 15, 2024 0:14:42 GMT
I also really liked lower decks. The only problem is they talked so fast and threw out so many parities to other ST series that I couldn't keep up. I had to put on closed caption and then keep kitting the pause button to follow it. As for Strange New Worlds, I think it is one of the best ST franchises to date. Fast speech is common in animated series. I'm sure Iron could give a dissertation on that. SNW has a crossover episode with LD. No spoilers, but LD's fast speech is joked about in that episode.
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Post by the light works on Apr 15, 2024 0:59:26 GMT
the fact that it really hasn't been on TV pretty much tanked any chance of me watching any of them. I get Paramount Plus as a freebie with my cell phone serves (it also includes HBO MAX, basic Hulu, and Disney+) so I catch it there. I like both LD and SNW enough that I have been getting the DVD/Bluerays of them. I have converted those discs to digital files that I have copies of on my Plex server. it's the streaming part, not just the pay per network part that blocks me seeing streaming-only stuff. I dropped netflix when they shut down the DVD service.
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Post by WhutScreenName on Apr 15, 2024 12:31:48 GMT
STD season 1 was terrible! I hated it, even though I muddled through it. They changed too much cannon, and nothing was star trek about it. As the show has progressed, it's gotten better. Season 4 was probably the best, but it could have EASILY ended there. I'm watching season 5, but not sad that it's going away.
Enterprise had it's own issues. It started well, but then got too muddled. The wife and I are watching DS9 now. We never did watch the whole thing when it was on, so we're discovering it now, and enjoying it well enough. I do like STN, it's a fun play on classic Trek, with bottle episodes that also has a through storyline.
Oh, and Picard, season 3 was probably my favorite Trek of all. I know that much of it was just lip service to the fans, and it worked for me. I enjoyed it very much!
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Post by wvengineer on Apr 15, 2024 13:17:53 GMT
Lower Decks season 3 is one of my all time favorite Trek seasons. It's a good mix of bottle episodes mixed with a season long story as well. I would consider the episode "The Stars at Night" one of the best episodes in the whole franchise, up there with "In the Pale Moonlight", "The Trouble with Tribbles", and "The Best of Both Worlds".
I will say that one of the best jokes ever was Season 4 Episode 10. "They put a paywall on a bomb?" The most Ferengi thing ever!
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 15, 2024 13:45:28 GMT
The new Star Treks is the reason I canceled my Netflix subscription and subscribed to Paramount. I’ve been paying Netflix for the last 10 years and never watch anything on it.
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Post by ironhold on Apr 15, 2024 21:59:49 GMT
I also really liked lower decks. The only problem is they talked so fast and threw out so many parities to other ST series that I couldn't keep up. I had to put on closed caption and then keep kitting the pause button to follow it. As for Strange New Worlds, I think it is one of the best ST franchises to date. Did you see the one where they combined both Strange New Worlds and Below Decks in one episode? Loved it! And Picard season three was pretty good. I didn't care much for season two. In fact, I only watched the first few episodes and gave up on it. I also really liked lower decks. The only problem is they talked so fast and threw out so many parities to other ST series that I couldn't keep up. I had to put on closed caption and then keep kitting the pause button to follow it. As for Strange New Worlds, I think it is one of the best ST franchises to date. Fast speech is common in animated series. I'm sure Iron could give a dissertation on that. SNW has a crossover episode with LD. No spoilers, but LD's fast speech is joked about in that episode. It's case by case, but there actually *is* a concern as to why a modern series would have that issue. Yes, unnaturally fast cadences in dubbed voices were common once upon a time. This was usually because the animation was done before or separately from the dubbing, and so the dub studio had to figure out how to make the dub actors' voices match the mouth movements. The original 1960s Speed Racer cartoon is an obvious example of this. [1] However, beginning in the late 1990s / early 2000s computer technology improved to the point that your better dub studios, like the folks up in Vancouver, could use digital methods to massage the voices and mouth movements together, largely eliminating the issue. So unless it was the actors themselves speaking at a fast cadence, either someone screwed up the voice directing or they somehow lacked access to this dub technology. [1] I say "most" as there were people in the dubbing industry who had such natural cadences. The most famous example is actor John Moschitta - tfwiki.net/wiki/John_Moschitta - who voiced such characters as Blurr in the original 1980s Transformers cartoons and starred in the first several years' worth of advertisements for the Micro Machines toy line.
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 16, 2024 12:05:16 GMT
I admit that some of the problems I have understanding the dialogue in Below Decks probably has a lot to do with how my hearing has degraded over the last few years as I also have trouble following the dialogue in almost any movie made in the last 20 years. But the speed they speak in BD certainly doesn’t help. What’s interesting is that though I realize my hearing isn’t what it used to be, I still have no problem understanding the dialogue in movies made in the 50s 60s and 70s. Something changed in the 80’s and I suspect it may have something to do with how they mix the audio for surround sound.
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Post by the light works on Apr 16, 2024 12:38:30 GMT
I admit that some of the problems I have understanding the dialogue in Below Decks probably has a lot to do with how my hearing has degraded over the last few years as I also have trouble following the dialogue in almost any movie made in the last 20 years. But the speed they speak in BD certainly doesn’t help. What’s interesting is that though I realize my hearing isn’t what it used to be, I still have no problem understanding the dialogue in movies made in the 50s 60s and 70s. Something changed in the 80’s and I suspect it may have something to do with how they mix the audio for surround sound. it is the audio mix. back when I owned a stereo, I'd turn the center channel to max, and the other channels to about 50% and it was a much better mix. if studios were smart, they'd use all the extra data blurays hold to have a "senior friendly' audio track available. of course, they're also trying to get rid of physical media as part of the drive to end the concept of ownership.
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