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Post by the light works on Sept 29, 2014 18:44:45 GMT
They are still explosive charges and for insurance reasons would have to be fitted by a qualified individual. could be a non pyrotechnic device with a blood pack. - although they may be certified for squibs.
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 30, 2014 5:54:00 GMT
They are still explosive charges and for insurance reasons would have to be fitted by a qualified individual. could be a non pyrotechnic device with a blood pack. - although they may be certified for squibs. That's what I'm thinking. And even if they're not certified themselves, having so many contacts in the special effects world, I'd be surprised if they didn't know someone who was. Either way, it still solves the location problem. They could easily do squibs in the shop without any danger.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 30, 2014 7:53:23 GMT
Which is where flash powder may be useful?... for some reason, I think old style flash guns may be exempt.
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 30, 2014 10:36:19 GMT
Which is where flash powder may be useful?... for some reason, I think old style flash guns may be exempt. Well, they've done work with black powder before where they didn't seem to need professional supervision. Of course, for all I know, the professionals were there, but just weren't mentioned and weren't on camera.
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Post by Cybermortis on Sept 30, 2014 12:43:36 GMT
Which is where flash powder may be useful?... for some reason, I think old style flash guns may be exempt. Well, they've done work with black powder before where they didn't seem to need professional supervision. Of course, for all I know, the professionals were there, but just weren't mentioned and weren't on camera. They WERE there, a lot of their experts only appear on screen when they have to. For example Alan Normandy was on set when they were making steel bullets for the James Bond special, but doesn't appear on screen. (This was for legal reasons). The problem with explosives, even squibs, is that bringing in an expert to supervise (regardless of why) limits production options. They not only have to find the expert in question, but have to plan filming around when that person is available and for how long. It is better from the production viewpoint not to have to overly rely on outside help for something minor, since this gives somewhat more flexibility to filming - for example if the electrical system takes longer to get working than planned they could always film the next day, which might not be an option if their expert is only available on the first day.
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Post by ironhold on Sept 30, 2014 20:32:28 GMT
...hence my idea for a circuit connected to an appliance.
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Post by the light works on Oct 1, 2014 5:05:09 GMT
...hence my idea for a circuit connected to an appliance. right.
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Post by WhutScreenName on Oct 9, 2014 19:54:35 GMT
We've talked about this before, but when I think booby traps, I instantly go to Indiana Jones. There are all sorts of booby traps in those movies, like stepping on a stone square and having darts shoot out. Or the sand bag for golden statue and the chain reaction of traps that set off. There's also the one where Short Round leans against a wall, pushing in a stone that causes the doors to close and the ceiling to slowly and dramatically drop as spikes come up from the ground.
Another 'trap' that always bothered me was the one in The Last Crusade where Indy has to walk across specific letters. He takes a misstep and crashes through, but is able to grab onto the adjacent stone to pull himself up... if there really was only 1 path, he would not have been able to pull himself up, the stone he grabbed onto would have collapsed as well.
From what I recall, Adam is a huge Indiana Jones fan. Seems a good fit to me!
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Post by ironhold on Oct 9, 2014 20:40:35 GMT
The whole "bag" myth appears to be based on some sort of pressure-plate rig. If the weight of the item(s) on the pedestal changes, then a release is triggered.
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Post by the light works on Oct 10, 2014 5:18:38 GMT
We've talked about this before, but when I think booby traps, I instantly go to Indiana Jones. There are all sorts of booby traps in those movies, like stepping on a stone square and having darts shoot out. Or the sand bag for golden statue and the chain reaction of traps that set off. There's also the one where Short Round leans against a wall, pushing in a stone that causes the doors to close and the ceiling to slowly and dramatically drop as spikes come up from the ground. Another 'trap' that always bothered me was the one in The Last Crusade where Indy has to walk across specific letters. He takes a misstep and crashes through, but is able to grab onto the adjacent stone to pull himself up... if there really was only 1 path, he would not have been able to pull himself up, the stone he grabbed onto would have collapsed as well. From what I recall, Adam is a huge Indiana Jones fan. Seems a good fit to me! the floor myth was borderline cheesy - but as I recall, when he broke through, he fell on to the CORRECT starting letter.
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Post by Cybermortis on Oct 12, 2014 12:17:30 GMT
I thought of Indiana Jones as well. The problems though are that the traps are large, old and made of stone. Working with stone on that scale would be too time consuming (if not expensive) and difficult - and substituting anything else for stone would lead to instant 'you did it wrong' cries.
The age is another problem, and one that also applies to films like The Goonies and The Mummy. Basically even if MB could duplicate the traps they couldn't test to see if the ropes (which most of the traps seem to have) could have remained in place (and usually under tension) for years or centuries. Making any results suspect as well.
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Post by the light works on Oct 12, 2014 15:00:02 GMT
I thought of Indiana Jones as well. The problems though are that the traps are large, old and made of stone. Working with stone on that scale would be too time consuming (if not expensive) and difficult - and substituting anything else for stone would lead to instant 'you did it wrong' cries. The age is another problem, and one that also applies to films like The Goonies and The Mummy. Basically even if MB could duplicate the traps they couldn't test to see if the ropes (which most of the traps seem to have) could have remained in place (and usually under tension) for years or centuries. Making any results suspect as well. unfortunately, true.
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Post by OziRiS on Oct 12, 2014 20:06:21 GMT
I thought of Indiana Jones as well. The problems though are that the traps are large, old and made of stone. Working with stone on that scale would be too time consuming (if not expensive) and difficult - and substituting anything else for stone would lead to instant 'you did it wrong' cries. The age is another problem, and one that also applies to films like The Goonies and The Mummy. Basically even if MB could duplicate the traps they couldn't test to see if the ropes (which most of the traps seem to have) could have remained in place (and usually under tension) for years or centuries. Making any results suspect as well. Wouldn't that just leave us with 'plausible' or 'busted' as options and automatically rule out 'confirmed'? As I see it, if the trap doesn't work at all with new rope, the age of the rope would be a moot point, since it's busted anyway. If it does work, that leaves us with 'plausible' as the only viable call, because the age of the rope could still come into question and there's no way of telling whether it would make a difference or not. None of these possible calls would rule out testing it altogether. And you just KNOW Adam would jump at the chance to play out his Indiana Jones fantasies
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Post by ironhold on Oct 12, 2014 21:23:29 GMT
So we have the one Equalizer myth and what else reasonably valid?
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Post by Cybermortis on Oct 12, 2014 22:20:14 GMT
I thought of Indiana Jones as well. The problems though are that the traps are large, old and made of stone. Working with stone on that scale would be too time consuming (if not expensive) and difficult - and substituting anything else for stone would lead to instant 'you did it wrong' cries. The age is another problem, and one that also applies to films like The Goonies and The Mummy. Basically even if MB could duplicate the traps they couldn't test to see if the ropes (which most of the traps seem to have) could have remained in place (and usually under tension) for years or centuries. Making any results suspect as well. Wouldn't that just leave us with 'plausible' or 'busted' as options and automatically rule out 'confirmed'? As I see it, if the trap doesn't work at all with new rope, the age of the rope would be a moot point, since it's busted anyway. If it does work, that leaves us with 'plausible' as the only viable call, because the age of the rope could still come into question and there's no way of telling whether it would make a difference or not. None of these possible calls would rule out testing it altogether. And you just KNOW Adam would jump at the chance to play out his Indiana Jones fantasies That is the thing, I suspect that a few of the Indy traps could in fact work...when they are new. The dart-firing trap from the first film is certainly plausible using leather as a bellows and activated using rope, wood and a pressure activated stone...At least IF the device is new. After a couple of years though (let alone a century or two) I seriously doubt that the bellows would work - or if they did you'd get less of a dramatic 'whoomph' that would embed a dart into a thick piece of wood, and more of a 'paraph' that would barely be enough to push the dart out of the barrel. Of course another problem is that while we know what the trap does and what activates it, we don't actually know the design of machinery. We do know this from the Goonies films (because they show us), but then we again run into the problem that the real myth in both of these cases would not be 'would this work?' but 'would this work after two hundred plus years?' The Goonies is set in the mid 1980's, and since pirates of the type who made the traps in the film were basically extinct by 1730* that would mean the traps had been sitting there for some 250 years. (*Actually pirates of the type seen in the film never existed in the first place) These are some of the problems dealing with movie traps, like those Indy encounters, would have. The materials they'd have to work with might be too difficult and time consuming (in the case of stone) or in the real world are not going to have survived the centuries in a state where the device is going to work. 'Real world' traps run into other problems, principally the risk of someone watching being able to duplicate the design and deciding to do so - and many of the realistic traps seen on TV and film are real and potentially lethal. (I checked, and frankly a LOT of the stuff out there scares the crap out of me). Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE MB to do an episode on traps - the inventive nature of A&J plus the amount of planning and building needed would lend itself very well to an episode that starts with a particular trap or two and ends in a build-off between the two. Given their attempt to 'go back to their roots', and build-off's were once part of that, I can see this being considered seriously...IF they can find a trap or two that A; Could not be duplicated at home, or at least not unless you were REALLY determined and had a lot of time and money to waste. Or B; Isn't/couldn't be modified to be lethal or crippling. *Muses* What about traps designed for animals in kids movies? Is there anything there maybe? I'm WAY to old for kids movies and don't have kids myself, but maybe some of you have kids and can think of something from such a source? Depending on the trap they might be able to 'supersize' it to human scale, dressing someone up as that character/animal to test it out. Hey, Adam has been a caveman, pirate and god knows what else...why not a mouse?
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Post by the light works on Oct 12, 2014 22:34:43 GMT
Wouldn't that just leave us with 'plausible' or 'busted' as options and automatically rule out 'confirmed'? As I see it, if the trap doesn't work at all with new rope, the age of the rope would be a moot point, since it's busted anyway. If it does work, that leaves us with 'plausible' as the only viable call, because the age of the rope could still come into question and there's no way of telling whether it would make a difference or not. None of these possible calls would rule out testing it altogether. And you just KNOW Adam would jump at the chance to play out his Indiana Jones fantasies That is the thing, I suspect that a few of the Indy traps could in fact work...when they are new. The dart-firing trap from the first film is certainly plausible using leather as a bellows and activated using rope, wood and a pressure activated stone...At least IF the device is new. After a couple of years though (let alone a century or two) I seriously doubt that the bellows would work - or if they did you'd get less of a dramatic 'whoomph' that would embed a dart into a thick piece of wood, and more of a 'paraph' that would barely be enough to push the dart out of the barrel. Of course another problem is that while we know what the trap does and what activates it, we don't actually know the design of machinery. We do know this from the Goonies films (because they show us), but then we again run into the problem that the real myth in both of these cases would not be 'would this work?' but 'would this work after two hundred plus years?' The Goonies is set in the mid 1980's, and since pirates of the type who made the traps in the film were basically extinct by 1730* that would mean the traps had been sitting there for some 250 years. (*Actually pirates of the type seen in the film never existed in the first place) These are some of the problems dealing with movie traps, like those Indy encounters, would have. The materials they'd have to work with might be too difficult and time consuming (in the case of stone) or in the real world are not going to have survived the centuries in a state where the device is going to work. 'Real world' traps run into other problems, principally the risk of someone watching being able to duplicate the design and deciding to do so - and many of the realistic traps seen on TV and film are real and potentially lethal. (I checked, and frankly a LOT of the stuff out there scares the crap out of me). Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE MB to do an episode on traps - the inventive nature of A&J plus the amount of planning and building needed would lend itself very well to an episode that starts with a particular trap or two and ends in a build-off between the two. Given their attempt to 'go back to their roots', and build-off's were once part of that, I can see this being considered seriously...IF they can find a trap or two that A; Could not be duplicated at home, or at least not unless you were REALLY determined and had a lot of time and money to waste. Or B; Isn't/couldn't be modified to be lethal or crippling. *Muses* What about traps designed for animals in kids movies? Is there anything there maybe? I'm WAY to old for kids movies and don't have kids myself, but maybe some of you have kids and can think of something from such a source? Depending on the trap they might be able to 'supersize' it to human scale, dressing someone up as that character/animal to test it out. Hey, Adam has been a caveman, pirate and god knows what else...why not a mouse? the simple deadfall box would be optimal for that. you have two models: one with the prop pulled out with a rope, and the other with a simple trigger.
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Post by OziRiS on Oct 12, 2014 22:51:29 GMT
*Muses* What about traps designed for animals in kids movies? Is there anything there maybe? I'm WAY to old for kids movies and don't have kids myself, but maybe some of you have kids and can think of something from such a source? Depending on the trap they might be able to 'supersize' it to human scale, dressing someone up as that character/animal to test it out. Hey, Adam has been a caveman, pirate and god knows what else...why not a mouse? How about the good old net on the ground, covered with leaves pulls someone up into the air where they're suspended from a tree without hurting them? I've always wondered if that was even possible to make without some kind of seriously heavy duty winch that would be difficult to hide in the woods. And seeing as the net has to have at least 3 points (and most movie and cartoon versions seem to have 4) to succesfully close around anything, how would you go about hiding that? I think I'd notice 3 or 4 ropes hanging strategically placed from a tree...
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Post by the light works on Oct 12, 2014 22:57:47 GMT
*Muses* What about traps designed for animals in kids movies? Is there anything there maybe? I'm WAY to old for kids movies and don't have kids myself, but maybe some of you have kids and can think of something from such a source? Depending on the trap they might be able to 'supersize' it to human scale, dressing someone up as that character/animal to test it out. Hey, Adam has been a caveman, pirate and god knows what else...why not a mouse? How about the good old net on the ground, covered with leaves pulls someone up into the air where they're suspended from a tree without hurting them? I've always wondered if that was even possible to make without some kind of seriously heavy duty winch that would be difficult to hide in the woods. And seeing as the net has to have at least 3 points (and most movie and cartoon versions seem to have 4) to succesfully close around anything, how would you go about hiding that? I think I'd notice 3 or 4 ropes hanging strategically placed from a tree... keep in mind Adam DID catch a chicken with this design in the first duct tape special.
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Post by OziRiS on Oct 12, 2014 23:00:25 GMT
How about the good old net on the ground, covered with leaves pulls someone up into the air where they're suspended from a tree without hurting them? I've always wondered if that was even possible to make without some kind of seriously heavy duty winch that would be difficult to hide in the woods. And seeing as the net has to have at least 3 points (and most movie and cartoon versions seem to have 4) to succesfully close around anything, how would you go about hiding that? I think I'd notice 3 or 4 ropes hanging strategically placed from a tree... keep in mind Adam DID catch a chicken with this design in the first duct tape special. I know, but a chicken has a brain the size of a pea. It won't be suspicious of ropes hanging from trees. People will and I was thinking of the people version of this trap.
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Post by the light works on Oct 12, 2014 23:06:25 GMT
keep in mind Adam DID catch a chicken with this design in the first duct tape special. I know, but a chicken has a brain the size of a pea. It won't be suspicious of ropes hanging from trees. People will and I was thinking of the people version of this trap. you have a lot of faith in your fellow man.
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