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Post by wvengineer on Oct 29, 2014 16:03:22 GMT
Oddly enough, I think it might actually be easier to build such a system based around fresh ingredients than pre-made/frozen. As TWL mentioned, making burgers from fresh ground chunk. Cheese would be easier to slice off a block than to separate a pre-sliced mass. While you may not make your own. buns, it would be easier to just cut them on site. Same with bacon. Slice what you need off a slab, while holding it in the fixture, cook in place so you can control the shape and then place on the burger. Fries, take a whole potato, slice it and drop it in the frier. Pickles, slice them directly onto the burger.
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Post by the light works on Oct 29, 2014 16:24:54 GMT
Oddly enough, I think it might actually be easier to build such a system based around fresh ingredients than pre-made/frozen. As TWL mentioned, making burgers from fresh ground chunk. Cheese would be easier to slice off a block than to separate a pre-sliced mass. While you may not make your own. buns, it would be easier to just cut them on site. Same with bacon. Slice what you need off a slab, while holding it in the fixture, cook in place so you can control the shape and then place on the burger. Fries, take a whole potato, slice it and drop it in the frier. Pickles, slice them directly onto the burger. and then you can charge more for the freshness as well as the show. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Oct 29, 2014 16:59:04 GMT
Of course for a business using 100% fresh ingredients* dramatically increases opperating costs, since you end up having to make more deliveries per week as well as ending up with more wastage if you have an unexpected quiet period.
(*Of course foods that are frozen as soon as possible classify as 'fresh')
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 30, 2014 8:28:24 GMT
More deliveries more change for it NOT to be fresh.
Only the worst zombies put deliveries away.....
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Post by the light works on Oct 30, 2014 14:04:20 GMT
More deliveries more change for it NOT to be fresh. Only the worst zombies put deliveries away..... you would have to automate that process as well. - but there are already restaurants that handle fresh food, so there is a baseline technology already in place. |
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Post by wvengineer on Oct 30, 2014 22:35:28 GMT
Maintaining fresh produce stock is no different than modern just-in-time manufacturing. All that is really needed is a sensor on your stock pile that has a computer send an e-mail to the supplier to deliver more once you fall before a certain level. just need some sendor, computer programing, and the appropriate contracts with the supplier.
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Post by the light works on Oct 31, 2014 0:08:17 GMT
Maintaining fresh produce stock is no different than modern just-in-time manufacturing. All that is really needed is a sensor on your stock pile that has a computer send an e-mail to the supplier to deliver more once you fall before a certain level. just need some sendor, computer programing, and the appropriate contracts with the supplier. since everything will be metered, you just need inventory control software. I'm thinking the biggest challenge will be the lettuce. tomatoes and onions will also be interesting, but the lettuce will be a challenge. (carrying on with the hamburger theme) |
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Post by wvengineer on Oct 31, 2014 1:08:46 GMT
Tomatoes you can just slice. Onions, you could slice and punch out the middle rings. System would be okay with shredded lettuce and chopped onions. I prefer chopped onions myself. I hate to bite into a ring onion only to pull out half the toppings onto your lap or you get all your onion in one bite and none for the rest of the burger.
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Post by the light works on Oct 31, 2014 1:28:16 GMT
Tomatoes you can just slice. Onions, you could slice and punch out the middle rings. System would be okay with shredded lettuce and chopped onions. I prefer chopped onions myself. I hate to bite into a ring onion only to pull out half the toppings onto your lap or you get all your onion in one bite and none for the rest of the burger. and I find shredded lettuce aesthetically offensive. however, you have a good point about onion rings. never thought about that - they could do pickle relish as well, for that matter, leaving just tomatoes to slice. of course, if a person wanted to go all out, they would have options on the ordering process to customize your burger. |
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Post by wvengineer on Nov 4, 2014 19:55:35 GMT
Really, The setup for applying the condiments and toppings to the burger is the hard part. A user interface which allows the customer to customize each topping would be easy to program. Heck, wouldn't be much different than a Sheetz system.
Sheetz is a chain of gas stations & convenience stores in the North East US. One of their things is "MTO" sandwiches and other food made to order. They have touch screen kiosks in the store where you walk though a series of menus to build up your order, controlling all aspects of it. The terminal generates an order to the cook on how to build everything. So take the same program and instead of printing out a ticket to the cook, it passes a table to the PLC controlling the burger assembly line with a bunch of booleans to control stations.
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Post by the light works on Nov 5, 2014 0:56:23 GMT
Really, The setup for applying the condiments and toppings to the burger is the hard part. A user interface which allows the customer to customize each topping would be easy to program. Heck, wouldn't be much different than a Sheetz system. Sheetz is a chain of gas stations & convenience stores in the North East US. One of their things is "MTO" sandwiches and other food made to order. They have touch screen kiosks in the store where you walk though a series of menus to build up your order, controlling all aspects of it. The terminal generates an order to the cook on how to build everything. So take the same program and instead of printing out a ticket to the cook, it passes a table to the PLC controlling the burger assembly line with a bunch of booleans to control stations. right - it is more a question of whether the engineer had the intelligence to think about that being a good idea. if you can make the dispensers you can have ordering software to choose which ones to trigger. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Nov 5, 2014 1:48:15 GMT
Seems AMF, the company that put bowling alley pin boys out of business, came up with an automatic fast food system over 50 years ago.
Maybe it's time has finally come.
Note: It also dispenses condiments.
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Post by wvengineer on Nov 5, 2014 2:20:04 GMT
Really, The setup for applying the condiments and toppings to the burger is the hard part. A user interface which allows the customer to customize each topping would be easy to program. Heck, wouldn't be much different than a Sheetz system. Sheetz is a chain of gas stations & convenience stores in the North East US. One of their things is "MTO" sandwiches and other food made to order. They have touch screen kiosks in the store where you walk though a series of menus to build up your order, controlling all aspects of it. The terminal generates an order to the cook on how to build everything. So take the same program and instead of printing out a ticket to the cook, it passes a table to the PLC controlling the burger assembly line with a bunch of booleans to control stations. right - it is more a question of whether the engineer had the intelligence to think about that being a good idea. if you can make the dispensers you can have ordering software to choose which ones to trigger. I think that would be more marketing department, or hopefully you get one of those engineers who can take a setp back aon look at things from the customer's perspective, but that can be iffy. |
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Post by the light works on Nov 5, 2014 14:32:57 GMT
right - it is more a question of whether the engineer had the intelligence to think about that being a good idea. if you can make the dispensers you can have ordering software to choose which ones to trigger. I think that would be more marketing department, or hopefully you get one of those engineers who can take a setp back aon look at things from the customer's perspective, but that can be iffy. I had just assumed marketing would fixate on making it cheaper to the exclusion of all else. |
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Post by paulsee on Nov 12, 2014 13:41:36 GMT
For automated preparation of food, Vending machines came to mind. Vending machine for Pizza, Vending machine for French Fries and Vending machines for noodles. The Japanese are really good with Vending machines. They sell almost everything in Vending Machines. No hamburger ones though.
However, the ingredients are prepared ahead of time and placed in the vending machines. Saw some really weird ones in Tokyo.
Hope this helps
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Post by the light works on Nov 12, 2014 14:13:49 GMT
just saw an add for mobile phone ordering from Taco Bell which allows you to customize what the drones put in your burrito. - so the concepts are all there. they just need the machine to do the assembly.
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Post by wvengineer on Nov 13, 2014 1:44:32 GMT
How about a machine that does the basic burger: patty, bun, cheese, etc and do the rest Roy Rogers style. Roy Rogers is an mid-atlantic burger chain that has a "fixin's bar", a small buffet with lettuce, onions, relish, pickles, misc sauces, etc. This setup, you can get around the complicated veggies on a burger. However it does seam kinda backwards compared to the automated restaurant idea. |
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Post by the light works on Nov 13, 2014 2:19:18 GMT
How about a machine that does the basic burger: patty, bun, cheese, etc and do the rest Roy Rogers style. Roy Rogers is an mid-atlantic burger chain that has a "fixin's bar", a small buffet with lettuce, onions, relish, pickles, misc sauces, etc. This setup, you can get around the complicated veggies on a burger. However it does seam kinda backwards compared to the automated restaurant idea. over here, that would be Fuddruckers - if they are still in operation. |
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Post by Antigone68104 on Nov 13, 2014 19:11:55 GMT
How about a machine that does the basic burger: patty, bun, cheese, etc and do the rest Roy Rogers style. Roy Rogers is an mid-atlantic burger chain that has a "fixin's bar", a small buffet with lettuce, onions, relish, pickles, misc sauces, etc. This setup, you can get around the complicated veggies on a burger. However it does seam kinda backwards compared to the automated restaurant idea. over here, that would be Fuddruckers - if they are still in operation. Fuddruckers is still around, at least in Nebraska. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Nov 13, 2014 21:02:44 GMT
over here, that would be Fuddruckers - if they are still in operation. Fuddruckers is still around, at least in Nebraska. Been to Fuddruckers. Probably one of the best burgers I've ever eaten. It was good, but for what is cost, a T bone steak would have been better. |
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