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Post by the light works on Feb 22, 2018 17:41:00 GMT
the thing that really bothers me is that it's always too soon to talk about gun control. But the fact remains, gun control is still always the first, and only thing we seem to talk about. How about we talk about how true gun control starts with the person holding the gun, not with the gun itself? There are over 5 million NRA members. Over 98% of them have never fired a gun at another person. And of those that have, most are also police officers. How's that for gun control. okay, so let's talk about what our budget is for identifying and caring for people with mental illnesses that lead to them being a hazard to themselves or to others. |
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Post by ironhold on Feb 22, 2018 17:43:13 GMT
the thing that really bothers me is that it's always too soon to talk about gun control. But the fact remains, gun control is still always the first, and only thing we seem to talk about. How about we talk about how true gun control starts with the person holding the gun, not with the gun itself? There are over 5 million NRA members. Over 98% of them have never fired a gun at another person. And of those that have, most are also police officers. How's that for gun control. I recently had someone freak out on me when I reminded them of the Kaiser Family Foundation's state health facts database. During the 2000s, Washington D.C. led the nation in firearms-related deaths per 100,000 people despite also having the strictest gun laws in the nation... so strict, in fact, as to all but ban private firearm ownership. In contrast, a handful of gun-friendly states like Utah and Texas were within two points of the national average. Cue me questioning whether or not there was something to the culture of these places that led to other variables being at play, such as people being taught respect for guns. As part of it, I raised the example that with Utah, hunting was such a big deal that at one point the first day of hunting season was a regular school holiday; so many parents were keeping their kids back from school that day to help them hunt that there was no point in some districts even attempting to hold classes. Cue the freak-out, both because I dared to note that weapons aren't just the most horrible things on the planet and because I brought up hunting. When I noted that "subsistence hunting" is still a thing I was basically called a liar, and when I noted that a lot of places (such as where I live) have a *legit* issue with feral animals being a threat to life and limb things went to straight-up "I need a safe space!" levels of screeching. So yeah... |
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Post by ironhold on Feb 22, 2018 17:45:58 GMT
But the fact remains, gun control is still always the first, and only thing we seem to talk about. How about we talk about how true gun control starts with the person holding the gun, not with the gun itself? There are over 5 million NRA members. Over 98% of them have never fired a gun at another person. And of those that have, most are also police officers. How's that for gun control. okay, so let's talk about what our budget is for identifying and caring for people with mental illnesses that lead to them being a hazard to themselves or to others. How can we have a budget for something that so many people refuse to even admit is a problem? In short, we've got a Catch-22 going. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 22, 2018 17:52:19 GMT
But the fact remains, gun control is still always the first, and only thing we seem to talk about. How about we talk about how true gun control starts with the person holding the gun, not with the gun itself? There are over 5 million NRA members. Over 98% of them have never fired a gun at another person. And of those that have, most are also police officers. How's that for gun control. okay, so let's talk about what our budget is for identifying and caring for people with mental illnesses that lead to them being a hazard to themselves or to others. OK, let's talk about it. At least nope is. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 22, 2018 17:58:22 GMT
Back on the old forums someone posted a study which indicated a negative correlation between video games and violence, with the study finding evidence that people with anger issues are using video games as a proxy or outlet through which to vent their frustrations at the world. So in and of themselves, games can't be singled out. Right, I wonder what those people did about venting their anger issues before there were soothing violent video games to calm them down. You know, before we had so many mass killings. |
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Post by ironhold on Feb 22, 2018 18:05:02 GMT
Back on the old forums someone posted a study which indicated a negative correlation between video games and violence, with the study finding evidence that people with anger issues are using video games as a proxy or outlet through which to vent their frustrations at the world. So in and of themselves, games can't be singled out. Right, I wonder what those people did about venting their anger issues before there were soothing violent video games to calm them down. You know, before we had so many mass killings. Actually, mass shootings have been a thing for decades. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)That happened in 1979, and had a song written about it. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 22, 2018 18:05:29 GMT
But the fact remains, gun control is still always the first, and only thing we seem to talk about. How about we talk about how true gun control starts with the person holding the gun, not with the gun itself? There are over 5 million NRA members. Over 98% of them have never fired a gun at another person. And of those that have, most are also police officers. How's that for gun control. I recently had someone freak out on me when I reminded them of the Kaiser Family Foundation's state health facts database. During the 2000s, Washington D.C. led the nation in firearms-related deaths per 100,000 people despite also having the strictest gun laws in the nation... so strict, in fact, as to all but ban private firearm ownership. In contrast, a handful of gun-friendly states like Utah and Texas were within two points of the national average. Cue me questioning whether or not there was something to the culture of these places that led to other variables being at play, such as people being taught respect for guns. As part of it, I raised the example that with Utah, hunting was such a big deal that at one point the first day of hunting season was a regular school holiday; so many parents were keeping their kids back from school that day to help them hunt that there was no point in some districts even attempting to hold classes. Cue the freak-out, both because I dared to note that weapons aren't just the most horrible things on the planet and because I brought up hunting. When I noted that "subsistence hunting" is still a thing I was basically called a liar, and when I noted that a lot of places (such as where I live) have a *legit* issue with feral animals being a threat to life and limb things went to straight-up "I need a safe space!" levels of screeching. So yeah... so you're saying the only difference between Washington DC ans Utah is the gun control laws? |
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Post by the light works on Feb 22, 2018 18:06:43 GMT
okay, so let's talk about what our budget is for identifying and caring for people with mental illnesses that lead to them being a hazard to themselves or to others. OK, let's talk about it. At least nope is. nope is talking about turning teachers into armed guards so they don't have to pay armed guards. well one teacher, the BEST teacher. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 22, 2018 18:11:28 GMT
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Post by ironhold on Feb 22, 2018 18:13:37 GMT
I recently had someone freak out on me when I reminded them of the Kaiser Family Foundation's state health facts database. During the 2000s, Washington D.C. led the nation in firearms-related deaths per 100,000 people despite also having the strictest gun laws in the nation... so strict, in fact, as to all but ban private firearm ownership. In contrast, a handful of gun-friendly states like Utah and Texas were within two points of the national average. Cue me questioning whether or not there was something to the culture of these places that led to other variables being at play, such as people being taught respect for guns. As part of it, I raised the example that with Utah, hunting was such a big deal that at one point the first day of hunting season was a regular school holiday; so many parents were keeping their kids back from school that day to help them hunt that there was no point in some districts even attempting to hold classes. Cue the freak-out, both because I dared to note that weapons aren't just the most horrible things on the planet and because I brought up hunting. When I noted that "subsistence hunting" is still a thing I was basically called a liar, and when I noted that a lot of places (such as where I live) have a *legit* issue with feral animals being a threat to life and limb things went to straight-up "I need a safe space!" levels of screeching. So yeah... so you're saying the only difference between Washington DC ans Utah is the gun control laws? No, culture. If you have a culture in which people are taught to respect guns, respect their power, and behave responsibly with them, then one would think that the presence of guns wouldn't be as much of an issue as in a culture where people see guns *as* a means of power, something to display and even use in order to establish who and what one is. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 22, 2018 18:20:22 GMT
so you're saying the only difference between Washington DC ans Utah is the gun control laws? No, culture. If you have a culture in which people are taught to respect guns, respect their power, and behave responsibly with them, then one would think that the presence of guns wouldn't be as much of an issue as in a culture where people see guns *as* a means of power, something to display and even use in order to establish who and what one is. then are you suggesting that if you know you have a culture in which people see going on a shooting spree as a valid way of acting out their frustrations that giving them easy access to guns with a high rate of fire is a tactically sound idea? |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 22, 2018 18:23:04 GMT
OK, let's talk about it. At least nope is. nope is talking about turning teachers into armed guards so they don't have to pay armed guards. well one teacher, the BEST teacher. At least he's talking about some ways to solve the problem. Some will fly, some not, but he's one of the first political leaders that seems to really want to find a solution and not just throw out stale talking points. Note that he's also talking improved background checks, Gun restrictions, better security at schools and better mental health care. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 22, 2018 18:36:56 GMT
Right, I wonder what those people did about venting their anger issues before there were soothing violent video games to calm them down. You know, before we had so many mass killings. Actually, mass shootings have been a thing for decades. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)That happened in 1979, and had a song written about it. I'm no expert on video games, maybe you can tell me when these realistically violent video games began to become popular. (no fair looking at the chart)  |
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Post by the light works on Feb 22, 2018 18:45:14 GMT
nope is talking about turning teachers into armed guards so they don't have to pay armed guards. well one teacher, the BEST teacher. At least he's talking about some ways to solve the problem. Some will fly, some not, but he's one of the first political leaders that seems to really want to find a solution and not just throw out stale talking points. Note that he's also talking improved background checks, Gun restrictions, better security at schools and better mental health care. arming teachers is a stale talking point. many schools already have metal detectors at all entrances, improved background checks and gun restrictions have been planks in the democrat platform for years, and I just pointed out that the mental health budget is getting cut. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 22, 2018 18:46:38 GMT
I'm no expert on video games, maybe you can tell me when these realistically violent video games began to become popular. (no fair looking at the chart) Doom hit the computer game market in 1993. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 22, 2018 19:18:52 GMT
At least he's talking about some ways to solve the problem. Some will fly, some not, but he's one of the first political leaders that seems to really want to find a solution and not just throw out stale talking points. Note that he's also talking improved background checks, Gun restrictions, better security at schools and better mental health care. arming teachers is a stale talking point. many schools already have metal detectors at all entrances, improved background checks and gun restrictions have been planks in the democrat platform for years, and I just pointed out that the mental health budget is getting cut. How is arming teachers a stale talking point? We aren't talking about making every teacher pack a gun, but is allowing a few that may have military training and already have a concealed carry permit to carry a gun not going to help in an active shooter situation? This wouldn't be in place of security check points and armed guards, but in addition to them. How many mass shootings have we had a schools with metal detectors at all entrances and people that know how to monitor them? We have strong security checkpoints at airports. Not too many mass shooting inside those secured areas. Don't our schools deserve the same level of security as our airports? nope is starting to talk about some substantial gun control issues. Things that no other Republican politicians would ever even think of suggesting. You have to give him credit in taking the "we can solve this" attitude rather than the old stand-by "it won't work" because it goes against political agendas. One thing nope doesn't seem to give a rip about is political agenda. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 22, 2018 19:36:12 GMT
arming teachers is a stale talking point. many schools already have metal detectors at all entrances, improved background checks and gun restrictions have been planks in the democrat platform for years, and I just pointed out that the mental health budget is getting cut. How is arming teachers a stale talking point? We aren't talking about making every teacher pack a gun, but is allowing a few that may have military training and already have a concealed carry permit to carry a gun not going to help in an active shooter situation? How many mass shootings have we had a schools with metal detectors at all entrances and people that know how to monitor them? We have strong security checkpoints at airports. Not too many mass shooting inside those secured areas. Don't our schools deserve the same level of security as our airports? nope is starting to talk about some substantial gun control issues. Things that no other Republican politicians would ever even think of suggesting. You have to give him credit in taking the "we can solve this" attitude rather than the old stand-by "it won't work" before anyone even suggests anything.  studies have shown that the precise term for "good guy with gun" in an active shooter situation is "first victim." |
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Post by GTCGreg on Feb 22, 2018 19:41:18 GMT
How is arming teachers a stale talking point? We aren't talking about making every teacher pack a gun, but is allowing a few that may have military training and already have a concealed carry permit to carry a gun not going to help in an active shooter situation? How many mass shootings have we had a schools with metal detectors at all entrances and people that know how to monitor them? We have strong security checkpoints at airports. Not too many mass shooting inside those secured areas. Don't our schools deserve the same level of security as our airports? nope is starting to talk about some substantial gun control issues. Things that no other Republican politicians would ever even think of suggesting. You have to give him credit in taking the "we can solve this" attitude rather than the old stand-by "it won't work" before anyone even suggests anything. studies have shown that the precise term for "good guy with gun" in an active shooter situation is "first victim." Armed guards did protect Regan. He would have been dead if they weren't there. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 22, 2018 19:43:31 GMT
studies have shown that the precise term for "good guy with gun" in an active shooter situation is "first victim." Armed guards did protect Regan. He would have been dead if they weren't there. no, an armored car is what protected reagan. except he took a bullet while they were stuffing him into it. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 22, 2018 19:44:16 GMT
the point is, the ineffectiveness of the mythical "good guy with a gun" is such a tired talking point, it's a meme.
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