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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 25, 2019 16:15:49 GMT
And meanwhile on The Orville, Gordon falls in love with a hologram. How many times have we seen that before? I don't mean to sound holophobic, but those relationships never seem to end well. I was a little tired of that as well. But they did it in a different way than most, and I did enjoy the episode. My other question is... HOW MANY TIMES is BORTIS (sp?) going to be the focus? I swear, every episode, even if he's NOT the focus, he's the focus. Can they make one without him?!? I wasn't really complaining about it, just pointing out that the story line has been used in a number of the other Star Trek series. It did have an interesting twist. As for Bortus, yes, they do spend a lot of time on him, but then, he is an interesting character. As TLW pointed out, I'd like to see them put a little more into the new security chief. |
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Post by the light works on Mar 25, 2019 16:34:59 GMT
the thing I noticed is the new security chief seems to be almost written to not have a distinct personality. she feels like she is being used as a placeholder, and I - even though he official releases did imply she IS a placeholder - would be inclined to at least give her some development. Seems she's a clone of the last security chief who also was a little deficient on the personality side. Hopefully they will develop her further as I believe there is a lot there that they have to work with. Probably not this season as there are only 3 episodes left in season 2. we got clues about Kitan. granted, not a full episode like we got multiples of with Bortus, but she still had side stories and scenes (well, until her farewell episode, which I'm not certain is permanent or just for the rest of this season) - looking it up, it appears she is not scheduled to return but she is welcome to return. |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Mar 25, 2019 17:45:33 GMT
Also, it was fun to see "Tuvoc" (okay, it was Tim Russ, but his character was very much Tuvok) in the episode. It was also really interesting to see his take on "WTF" and shed light on how easy it is for us, looking back, to misinterpret things. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Mar 25, 2019 19:32:07 GMT
the thing I noticed is the new security chief seems to be almost written to not have a distinct personality. she feels like she is being used as a placeholder, and I - even though he official releases did imply she IS a placeholder - would be inclined to at least give her some development. Seems she's a clone of the last security chief who also was a little deficient on the personality side. Hopefully they will develop her further as I believe there is a lot there that they have to work with. Probably not this season as there are only 3 episodes left in season 2. I've not seen this, but recall hearing that it had been established that in her culture if someone had to leave their job a close family member would take their place. So i *think* she is Alara's (sp?) sister. In the real world; There are a couple of rumors about why Halison Sage ended up leaving the show after a few episodes. One is that it has something to do with dating McFalland and a bad breakup between the two. The other is that Halison was, apparently, offered a film role that clashed with shooting the Orville. So they allowed her to leave to do that project. Of the two I suspect that it is the latter that is the more likely. Seth seems to be more than happy to support co-workers, and allowing her to in effect take time off in a way that would allow her to either leave entirely or return later on would seem very much in character. Firing her over a breakup doesn't seem in character. Especially not when you consider that its not like the two of them were really doing that many scenes without most of the rest of the cast being there as well. It would have been easy to have worked around any problems they were having without getting rid of a fan favorite character |
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Post by the light works on Mar 25, 2019 19:55:46 GMT
Also, it was fun to see "Tuvoc" (okay, it was Tim Russ, but his character was very much Tuvok) in the episode. It was also really interesting to see his take on "WTF" and shed light on how easy it is for us, looking back, to misinterpret things. now I recall a "that's Tuvok" moment, recently, but I thought that was on NCIS or its ilk. the two Trek alumni in Alara's episode were Dr Phlox and the holographic doctor. (I apparently haven't seen the episode of the Orville Tim Russ was in yet) - from looking at the synopsis in IMDB. |
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Post by the light works on Mar 25, 2019 20:12:59 GMT
Seems she's a clone of the last security chief who also was a little deficient on the personality side. Hopefully they will develop her further as I believe there is a lot there that they have to work with. Probably not this season as there are only 3 episodes left in season 2. I've not seen this, but recall hearing that it had been established that in her culture if someone had to leave their job a close family member would take their place. So i *think* she is Alara's (sp?) sister. In the real world; There are a couple of rumors about why Halison Sage ended up leaving the show after a few episodes. One is that it has something to do with dating McFalland and a bad breakup between the two. The other is that Halison was, apparently, offered a film role that clashed with shooting the Orville. So they allowed her to leave to do that project. Of the two I suspect that it is the latter that is the more likely. Seth seems to be more than happy to support co-workers, and allowing her to in effect take time off in a way that would allow her to either leave entirely or return later on would seem very much in character. Firing her over a breakup doesn't seem in character. Especially not when you consider that its not like the two of them were really doing that many scenes without most of the rest of the cast being there as well. It would have been easy to have worked around any problems they were having without getting rid of a fan favorite character the gossip I read was that there were suggestions she had an association with McFarland, but the two said they were just friends, and no hints of any later animosity between them. she has been in several projects this year which would have conflicted with shooting the Orville. the orville fandom site specifies a netflix series she left the Orville for. the new one is apparently officially no relation to the old one. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 25, 2019 21:29:53 GMT
Also, it was fun to see "Tuvoc" (okay, it was Tim Russ, but his character was very much Tuvok) in the episode. It was also really interesting to see his take on "WTF" and shed light on how easy it is for us, looking back, to misinterpret things. now I recall a "that's Tuvok" moment, recently, but I thought that was on NCIS or its ilk. the two Trek alumni in Alara's episode were Dr Phlox and the holographic doctor. (I apparently haven't seen the episode of the Orville Tim Russ was in yet) - from looking at the synopsis in IMDB. Russ was in last week's episode. The one where Gorden falls for the hologram. I didn't realize it was "Tovok" until he spoke. Then I recognized the voice. |
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Post by the light works on Mar 25, 2019 22:08:38 GMT
now I recall a "that's Tuvok" moment, recently, but I thought that was on NCIS or its ilk. the two Trek alumni in Alara's episode were Dr Phlox and the holographic doctor. (I apparently haven't seen the episode of the Orville Tim Russ was in yet) - from looking at the synopsis in IMDB. Russ was in last week's episode. The one where Gorden falls for the hologram. I didn't realize it was "Tovok" until he spoke. Then I recognized the voice. I tend to average two or three weeks behind on everything, lately. |
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Post by mrfatso on Mar 25, 2019 22:24:20 GMT
Halston Sage has joined the cast of a new TV show about crime/ serial killers called Prodigal Son. www.imdb.com/title/tt9055164/Depending on its shooting schedule that might affect her ability to return to The Orville. |
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Post by the light works on Mar 27, 2019 15:34:13 GMT
now I recall a "that's Tuvok" moment, recently, but I thought that was on NCIS or its ilk. the two Trek alumni in Alara's episode were Dr Phlox and the holographic doctor. (I apparently haven't seen the episode of the Orville Tim Russ was in yet) - from looking at the synopsis in IMDB. Russ was in last week's episode. The one where Gorden falls for the hologram. I didn't realize it was "Tovok" until he spoke. Then I recognized the voice. now I've seen it - his misinterpretation of "WTF" was really reaching. the thing that was a bit jarring about the episode for me was that everybody was using the time capsule things like they had experience with them. |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Mar 27, 2019 15:55:53 GMT
the joke may have been a little flat and reaching. But I like the idea behind it, that we're looking back at things and interpreting them on our views today, which could have little or nothing to do with what was actually meant.
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Post by the light works on Mar 27, 2019 16:03:03 GMT
the joke may have been a little flat and reaching. But I like the idea behind it, that we're looking back at things and interpreting them on our views today, which could have little or nothing to do with what was actually meant. the gold standard of that was done back when King Tut was still popular. David McCauley's "Motel of the Mysteries" wearethemutants.com/2017/12/06/david-macauleys-motel-of-the-mysteries-1979/ |
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 27, 2019 16:05:08 GMT
Russ was in last week's episode. The one where Gorden falls for the hologram. I didn't realize it was "Tovok" until he spoke. Then I recognized the voice. now I've seen it - his misinterpretation of "WTF" was really reaching. the thing that was a bit jarring about the episode for me was that everybody was using the time capsule things like they had experience with them. If it was actually the Tovok character, I could see the misunderstanding, but not a historian. |
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Post by the light works on Mar 27, 2019 16:10:06 GMT
now I've seen it - his misinterpretation of "WTF" was really reaching. the thing that was a bit jarring about the episode for me was that everybody was using the time capsule things like they had experience with them. If it was actually the Tovok character, I could see the misunderstanding, but not a historian. adding context, like "I set my phone on the counter and the screen cracked. WTF" would have helped. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 27, 2019 18:51:52 GMT
If it was actually the Tovok character, I could see the misunderstanding, but not a historian. adding context, like "I set my phone on the counter and the screen cracked. WTF" would have helped. I thought there was some kind a context about the phone not operating properly. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 9, 2019 13:36:28 GMT
For those who don't have the time to check the video the shortish version, reported elsewhere not just here;
Those companies responsible for merchandise have outright refused to back either the Picard series OR Discovery. These companies are no longer willing to pay for the rights unless both series become more like the original Trek both in terms of design and tone. The reason is that no one is buying anything.
This includes Netflix, which is not only threatening not to pick up and stream season 3 of Discovery but to remove the entire series from its platform. This would mean that Star Trek would only be available within the United States on CBS AA.
CBS AA has been bleeding subscribers at a higher rate that it has been gaining them. A while back I did some estimates based on known figures from CBS itself to work out how many subscribers the platform had. My estimates ended up as just under 3 million subscribers, which I noted was more or less the exact same figure I'd estimated (also from known figures from CBS) back in late 2017 when Discovery originally aired. I went on to note that either my figures were wrong (quite possible) or that CBS AA had been bleeding subscribers at an alarming rate. It seems it was the latter.
Discovery season 3 may have been green lit but hasn't been given a budget yet.
Retooling Discovery or the Picard series to be more in line with 'Canon' Trek is being resisted by Kurtzman and would require at least another six months to basically rewrite everything. This is especially the case for the Picard series.
It seems that there is a growing feeling within CBS that Kurtzman needs to go. But CBS managed to tie themselves into a five year contract with him. This would explain why his position on Discovery now seems to be honorary, rather than him being the actual showrunner.
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Post by the light works on Apr 9, 2019 14:07:20 GMT
For those who don't have the time to check the video the shortish version, reported elsewhere not just here; Those companies responsible for merchandise have outright refused to back either the Picard series OR Discovery. These companies are no longer willing to pay for the rights unless both series become more like the original Trek both in terms of design and tone. The reason is that no one is buying anything. This includes Netflix, which is not only threatening not to pick up and stream season 3 of Discovery but to remove the entire series from its platform. This would mean that Star Trek would only be available within the United States on CBS AA. CBS AA has been bleeding subscribers at a higher rate that it has been gaining them. A while back I did some estimates based on known figures from CBS itself to work out how many subscribers the platform had. My estimates ended up as just under 3 million subscribers, which I noted was more or less the exact same figure I'd estimated (also from known figures from CBS) back in late 2017 when Discovery originally aired. I went on to note that either my figures were wrong (quite possible) or that CBS AA had been bleeding subscribers at an alarming rate. It seems it was the latter. Discovery season 3 may have been green lit but hasn't been given a budget yet. Retooling Discovery or the Picard series to be more in line with 'Canon' Trek is being resisted by Kurtzman and would require at least another six months to basically rewrite everything. This is especially the case for the Picard series. It seems that there is a growing feeling within CBS that Kurtzman needs to go. But CBS managed to tie themselves into a five year contract with him. This would explain why his position on Discovery now seems to be honorary, rather than him being the actual showrunner. another chapter in a long slow decline of the brand. addendum: I guess the moral is "you don't mess with success." |
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 9, 2019 15:07:47 GMT
For those who don't have the time to check the video the shortish version, reported elsewhere not just here; Those companies responsible for merchandise have outright refused to back either the Picard series OR Discovery. These companies are no longer willing to pay for the rights unless both series become more like the original Trek both in terms of design and tone. The reason is that no one is buying anything. This includes Netflix, which is not only threatening not to pick up and stream season 3 of Discovery but to remove the entire series from its platform. This would mean that Star Trek would only be available within the United States on CBS AA. CBS AA has been bleeding subscribers at a higher rate that it has been gaining them. A while back I did some estimates based on known figures from CBS itself to work out how many subscribers the platform had. My estimates ended up as just under 3 million subscribers, which I noted was more or less the exact same figure I'd estimated (also from known figures from CBS) back in late 2017 when Discovery originally aired. I went on to note that either my figures were wrong (quite possible) or that CBS AA had been bleeding subscribers at an alarming rate. It seems it was the latter. Discovery season 3 may have been green lit but hasn't been given a budget yet. Retooling Discovery or the Picard series to be more in line with 'Canon' Trek is being resisted by Kurtzman and would require at least another six months to basically rewrite everything. This is especially the case for the Picard series. It seems that there is a growing feeling within CBS that Kurtzman needs to go. But CBS managed to tie themselves into a five year contract with him. This would explain why his position on Discovery now seems to be honorary, rather than him being the actual showrunner. another chapter in a long slow decline of the brand. addendum: I guess the moral is "you don't mess with success." Why would the merchandise companies be interested in investing a bunch of money when the 3 or 4 people that watch Discovery aren't into buying toys? |
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Post by the light works on Apr 9, 2019 15:15:09 GMT
another chapter in a long slow decline of the brand. addendum: I guess the moral is "you don't mess with success." Why would the merchandise companies be interested in investing a bunch of money when the 3 or 4 people that watch Discovery aren't into buying toys? now, THAT was cold. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 9, 2019 15:27:12 GMT
Why would the merchandise companies be interested in investing a bunch of money when the 3 or 4 people that watch Discovery aren't into buying toys? now, THAT was cold. I'm just not known as a warn and fuzzy person. Well, maybe fuzzy. |
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