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Post by rmc on Apr 12, 2020 12:33:13 GMT
I have a set of Cowin E7 noise canceling headphones. They are over the ear type but fairly light and comfortable. They have Bluetooth so you can listen to music if you want to, but you don’t need that to use the noise canceling feature. In fact, using noise canceling and playing music at the same time tends to distort the music. They do a really good job of canceling out lower frequency noises, but not as good with higher frequencies. Can they work without a cell phone? The box has no electrical hookups inside and is basically airtight. Stringing an electric line inside is basically out. My cell phone is usually drained by evening, and really should be on a charger for doing its job the next day. Until I find a way to "power" ANC headphones without my cell or needing powerline, I'll be in a bit of a bind. One idea may include building a power cell that can be put inside the box as a self contained power source that can be charged during the day when the box's door can be left open. If i get that accomplished, I'll pick up a spare phone for pairing with the system you describe. Or, perhaps just having a cheap spare cell phone that can be charged for overnight work will suffice. Thank you for the suggestion! I'll study more about it. EDIT: Should I make a video detailing the finished box?
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 12, 2020 12:47:28 GMT
They are standalone units and do not require any external device unless you want to stream music to them. In that case, anything that has Bluetooth can be used. They are completely self-contained and operate about 12 hours on a charge. You charge them via a micro USB connector. If you did want to stream music, or even White Noise to them, you could do it from your phone outside your sleep box. That way you can leave your phone plugged in and charging while it’s streaming the music or white noise. There are buttons on the headphones to control volume or select the music. All that is done wirelessly through Bluetooth.
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Post by rmc on Apr 12, 2020 13:05:02 GMT
They are standalone units and do not require any external device unless you want to stream music to them. In that case, anything that has Bluetooth can be used. They are completely self-contained and operate about 12 hours on a charge. You charge them via a micro USB connector. If you did want to stream music, or even White Noise to them, you could do it from your phone outside your sleep box. That way you can leave your phone plugged in and charging while it’s streaming the music or white noise. There are buttons on the headphones to control volume or select the music. All that is done wirelessly through Bluetooth. I'd say that's it! Thanks! I'm leaning toward over ear phones, but a friend is insisting earbuds of some sort will be more comfortable on my side. Yet, I have found a way to sort of squeeze the phones between two pillows when on my side, such that the phone itself rests against the bed while most of my head is supported by the two pillows. I'm thinking over ear is the way to go with regard to ANC. Besides, until you suggested those phones, most ANC write ups declare that canceling low frequency sound is too much of a problem and that anything less than over ear phones won't do anything close to true noise canceling. (They end up just adjusting the outside noises some). So I am going the extra mile and using over ear instead of buds, I think... right? EDIT!!! HOLY MOLY ! I'm finally a "Senior" member!!?
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Post by the light works on Apr 12, 2020 13:48:41 GMT
They are standalone units and do not require any external device unless you want to stream music to them. In that case, anything that has Bluetooth can be used. They are completely self-contained and operate about 12 hours on a charge. You charge them via a micro USB connector. If you did want to stream music, or even White Noise to them, you could do it from your phone outside your sleep box. That way you can leave your phone plugged in and charging while it’s streaming the music or white noise. There are buttons on the headphones to control volume or select the music. All that is done wirelessly through Bluetooth. I'd say that's it! Thanks! I'm leaning toward over ear phones, but a friend is insisting earbuds of some sort will be more comfortable on my side. Yet, I have found a way to sort of squeeze the phones between two pillows when on my side, such that the phone itself rests against the bed while most of my head is supported by the two pillows. I'm thinking over ear is the way to go with regard to ANC. Besides, until you suggested those phones, most ANC write ups declare that canceling low frequency sound is too much of a problem and that anything less than over ear phones won't do anything close to true noise canceling. (They end up just adjusting the outside noises some). So I am going the extra mile and using over ear instead of buds, I think... right? EDIT!!! HOLY MOLY ! I'm finally a "Senior" member!!? I certainly find earbuds to be uncomfortable with long term use. I would also suspect that since your ears won't tolerate earplugs, they also wouldn't do earbuds well.
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Post by the light works on Apr 12, 2020 13:55:21 GMT
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Post by rmc on Apr 12, 2020 14:05:42 GMT
In the last condo did that (the decoupled, rail concept throughout the whole place), injected foam into the walls, and went a further step of putting in my own drop ceiling design with added insulation between ceiling planes. The result? The dog's scratching was only SLIGHTLT muffled. Don't get me wrong, adding improvements are still an option, but that box is more or less bolted into place and extremely heavy and hard to move. By the way, scoured the reviews on Cowin E7 headphones. There is mounting evidence that a massive amount of some of the positive reviews are fake according to FakeSpot. Several have complained the noise Cancelation is subpar with a buzzing sound or a thump, and others have complained the headphones fall apart. Now looking at Sony WHCH700N or Bose Quiet Comfort 35 Wireless Noise Canceling Silver.
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 12, 2020 14:58:16 GMT
In the last condo did that (the decoupled, rail concept throughout the whole place), injected foam into the walls, and went a further step of putting in my own drop ceiling design with added insulation between ceiling planes. The result? The dog's scratching was only SLIGHTLT muffled. Don't get me wrong, adding improvements are still an option, but that box is more or less bolted into place and extremely heavy and hard to move. By the way, scoured the reviews on Cowin E7 headphones. There is mounting evidence that the massive amounts of positive reviews are fake according to FakeSpot. Several have complained the noise Cancelation is subpar with a buzzing sound or a thump, and others have complained the headphones fall apart. Now looking at Sony WHCH700N or Bose Quiet Comfort 35 Wireless Noise Canceling Silver. I've had the Cowin for a couple of years and had no problem with them. My son has the Sony WH1000XM3 and they are much better phones but also MUCH more expensive, as are the Bose. I tried my son's Sony's and the sound of them playing music is far superior to my Corwin. I never compared them as far as noise canceling performance. But at almost $300 compared to $60 for the Corwin, they should be a lot better. The Bose seem to get pretty good reviews too, but I have never had a positive experience with any Bose product in the past. I'm not pushing any one brand over another, just mentioning over-the-ear noise canceling as a possible option.
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Post by the light works on Apr 12, 2020 15:16:44 GMT
In the last condo did that (the decoupled, rail concept throughout the whole place), injected foam into the walls, and went a further step of putting in my own drop ceiling design with added insulation between ceiling planes. The result? The dog's scratching was only SLIGHTLT muffled. Don't get me wrong, adding improvements are still an option, but that box is more or less bolted into place and extremely heavy and hard to move. By the way, scoured the reviews on Cowin E7 headphones. There is mounting evidence that the massive amounts of positive reviews are fake according to FakeSpot. Several have complained the noise Cancelation is subpar with a buzzing sound or a thump, and others have complained the headphones fall apart. Now looking at Sony WHCH700N or Bose Quiet Comfort 35 Wireless Noise Canceling Silver. I've had the Cowin for a couple of years and had no problem with them. My son has the Sony WH1000XM3 and they are much better phones but also MUCH more expensive, as are the Bose. I tried my son's Sony's and the sound of them playing music is far superior to my Corwin. I never compared them as far as noise canceling performance. But at almost $300 compared to $60 for the Corwin, they should be a lot better. The Bose seem to get pretty good reviews too, but I have never had a positive experience with any Bose product in the past. I'm not pushing any one brand over another, just mentioning over-the-ear noise canceling as a possible option. I have found over the years that BOSE makes superior quality equipment, and still manages to overprice it.
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 12, 2020 15:47:14 GMT
I've had the Cowin for a couple of years and had no problem with them. My son has the Sony WH1000XM3 and they are much better phones but also MUCH more expensive, as are the Bose. I tried my son's Sony's and the sound of them playing music is far superior to my Corwin. I never compared them as far as noise canceling performance. But at almost $300 compared to $60 for the Corwin, they should be a lot better. The Bose seem to get pretty good reviews too, but I have never had a positive experience with any Bose product in the past. I'm not pushing any one brand over another, just mentioning over-the-ear noise canceling as a possible option. I have found over the years that BOSE makes superior quality equipment, and still manages to overprice it. The only experience I had with Bose was in the pro-audio market. Their stuff was overpriced garbage compared to the likes of other pro audio companies. Most of the experience I had was ripping their garbage out of venues and installing stuff that worked.
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Post by the light works on Apr 12, 2020 16:09:14 GMT
I have found over the years that BOSE makes superior quality equipment, and still manages to overprice it. The only experience I had with Bose was in the pro-audio market. Their stuff was overpriced garbage compared to the likes of other pro audio companies. Most of the experience I had was ripping their garbage out of venues and installing stuff that worked. the other thing I've concluded is that BOSE does not play well with others. but you're right that the superiority is based on comparing with Emerson and Fisher and such. it's also based on BOSE doing with 3 cubic feet of speaker, what traditional speakers do with 6. - and no amount of tech can overcome a crappy install. I'd suspect that a lot of your conversions were because they scrimped on the BOSE hardware and ended up with an inadequate system.
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 12, 2020 17:56:37 GMT
The only experience I had with Bose was in the pro-audio market. Their stuff was overpriced garbage compared to the likes of other pro audio companies. Most of the experience I had was ripping their garbage out of venues and installing stuff that worked. the other thing I've concluded is that BOSE does not play well with others. but you're right that the superiority is based on comparing with Emerson and Fisher and such. it's also based on BOSE doing with 3 cubic feet of speaker, what traditional speakers do with 6. - and no amount of tech can overcome a crappy install. I'd suspect that a lot of your conversions were because they scrimped on the BOSE hardware and ended up with an inadequate system. Bose's reputation is based on pre-packaged sound. They offer small footprint designs that sound extraordinary well for 90% percent of program material (AKA Music), especially considering their size. They are pre-EQed and balanced to sound good in a smaller sized room and at medium volume levels. But their sound falls apart at louder levels and is often thin sounding at low levels. Give me a 4-band parametric EQ or 10 band graphic and a good set of speakers and I can blow Bose away at any SPL. And for a fraction of the cost of a Bose system. The idea of not playing well with others was especially true in their pro-audio line. The reason was that Bose amplifiers used DSP that was tailored to drive Bose speakers. Connect a Bose speaker to any other amplifier and it sounded really bad. Likewise connect any other speaker to a Bose amp it was equally bad. The only way you could get Bose speakers to sound good was by using Bose amplifiers. Also, the EQ of Bose systems was locked in by the certified Bose installers and couldn't be changed. Again, this idea of pre-packaged sound. This drove sound engineers crazy and was one of the reasons why Bose was never well accepted in the pro-audio community. It would be like having a self-driving car that could never be taken out of self-driving mode. While it may work well much of the time, there are circumstances where you definitely would want to take control. That's exactly how sound engineers looked at Bose sound systems. Think of it as having a fire pumper that had a preset pressure and flow rate that couldn't be change. While the manufacture may be able to set it up to cover most situations, I'm sure there are times where you may want to be able to change things.
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Post by the light works on Apr 12, 2020 21:26:37 GMT
the other thing I've concluded is that BOSE does not play well with others. but you're right that the superiority is based on comparing with Emerson and Fisher and such. it's also based on BOSE doing with 3 cubic feet of speaker, what traditional speakers do with 6. - and no amount of tech can overcome a crappy install. I'd suspect that a lot of your conversions were because they scrimped on the BOSE hardware and ended up with an inadequate system. Bose's reputation is based on pre-packaged sound. They offer small footprint designs that sound extraordinary well for 90% percent of program material (AKA Music), especially considering their size. They are pre-EQed and balanced to sound good in a smaller sized room and at medium volume levels. But their sound falls apart at louder levels and is often thin sounding at low levels. Give me a 4-band parametric EQ or 10 band graphic and a good set of speakers and I can blow Bose away at any SPL. And for a fraction of the cost of a Bose system. The idea of not playing well with others was especially true in their pro-audio line. The reason was that Bose amplifiers used DSP that was tailored to drive Bose speakers. Connect a Bose speaker to any other amplifier and it sounded really bad. Likewise connect any other speaker to a Bose amp it was equally bad. The only way you could get Bose speakers to sound good was by using Bose amplifiers. Also, the EQ of Bose systems was locked in by the certified Bose installers and couldn't be changed. Again, this idea of pre-packaged sound. This drove sound engineers crazy and was one of the reasons why Bose was never well accepted in the pro-audio community. It would be like having a self-driving car that could never be taken out of self-driving mode. While it may work well much of the time, there are circumstances where you definitely would want to take control. That's exactly how sound engineers looked at Bose sound systems. Think of it as having a fire pumper that had a preset pressure and flow rate that couldn't be change. While the manufacture may be able to set it up to cover most situations, I'm sure there are times where you may want to be able to change things. I think if I was ever setting up a fixed assembly pro audio system, I'd install the EQ in a cabinet and lock it after I finished tuning it, as well. I've seen what happens when the EQ is out where the children can twiddle with it.
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 12, 2020 21:39:10 GMT
Bose's reputation is based on pre-packaged sound. They offer small footprint designs that sound extraordinary well for 90% percent of program material (AKA Music), especially considering their size. They are pre-EQed and balanced to sound good in a smaller sized room and at medium volume levels. But their sound falls apart at louder levels and is often thin sounding at low levels. Give me a 4-band parametric EQ or 10 band graphic and a good set of speakers and I can blow Bose away at any SPL. And for a fraction of the cost of a Bose system. The idea of not playing well with others was especially true in their pro-audio line. The reason was that Bose amplifiers used DSP that was tailored to drive Bose speakers. Connect a Bose speaker to any other amplifier and it sounded really bad. Likewise connect any other speaker to a Bose amp it was equally bad. The only way you could get Bose speakers to sound good was by using Bose amplifiers. Also, the EQ of Bose systems was locked in by the certified Bose installers and couldn't be changed. Again, this idea of pre-packaged sound. This drove sound engineers crazy and was one of the reasons why Bose was never well accepted in the pro-audio community. It would be like having a self-driving car that could never be taken out of self-driving mode. While it may work well much of the time, there are circumstances where you definitely would want to take control. That's exactly how sound engineers looked at Bose sound systems. Think of it as having a fire pumper that had a preset pressure and flow rate that couldn't be change. While the manufacture may be able to set it up to cover most situations, I'm sure there are times where you may want to be able to change things. I think if I was ever setting up a fixed assembly pro audio system, I'd install the EQ in a cabinet and lock it after I finished tuning it, as well. I've seen what happens when the EQ is out where the children can twiddle with it. If all you need is to plug in a mic, flip a switch and make announcements, then Bose is for you.
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Post by rmc on May 9, 2020 10:52:18 GMT
In the last condo did that (the decoupled, rail concept throughout the whole place), injected foam into the walls, and went a further step of putting in my own drop ceiling design with added insulation between ceiling planes. The result? The dog's scratching was only SLIGHTLT muffled. Don't get me wrong, adding improvements are still an option, but that box is more or less bolted into place and extremely heavy and hard to move. By the way, scoured the reviews on Cowin E7 headphones. There is mounting evidence that the massive amounts of positive reviews are fake according to FakeSpot. Several have complained the noise Cancelation is subpar with a buzzing sound or a thump, and others have complained the headphones fall apart. Now looking at Sony WHCH700N or Bose Quiet Comfort 35 Wireless Noise Canceling Silver. I've had the Cowin for a couple of years and had no problem with them. My son has the Sony WH1000XM3 and they are much better phones but also MUCH more expensive, as are the Bose. I tried my son's Sony's and the sound of them playing music is far superior to my Corwin. I never compared them as far as noise canceling performance. But at almost $300 compared to $60 for the Corwin, they should be a lot better. The Bose seem to get pretty good reviews too, but I have never had a positive experience with any Bose product in the past. I'm not pushing any one brand over another, just mentioning over-the-ear noise canceling as a possible option. I do believe you've got a point. I still wake up at weird points in the night, and according to video recordings (audio, really, but anyway) there are still some door closings or other thumps that apparently wake me. So, it's worth an inexpensive experiment. Thanks.
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Post by rmc on May 12, 2020 12:04:06 GMT
I've tried Cowin E7 headphones, and the results were interesting.
I'll sum up first by saying the headphones seemed to take some of the bite out of lower tones. Now, what does that mean?
For me, likely due to a case of Protracted Acute Withdrawl Syndrome for having jacked around with Lorazepam as a means to mitigate "night time panic attacks" that were actually Sleep Apnea events, I tend to get a huge, huge adrenaline rush when I'm asleep and am awoken by a low, powerful thud.
But, with Cowin E7 headphones, though I still hear such thuds and am awoken by them, E7 seems to take a lot of the deep punch out of the tones involved. The thuds seem kind of hallow now. The result is that I still hear it, and am even awoken by it (briefly), but the thumps and thuds don't seem to give me the usual "heart attack", and I can return to sleep much, much faster.
So, good job GTCGreg!
Still, I'm going to continue by trying to get rid of that last bit of the noises.
I think I've thought of a way to use traditional earplugs. Since my ears itch like they've been dipped in thistles, I'll use vitamin e oil to grease them up good in an attempt to make earplugs in such a sensitive area more palatable for me.
More to come
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Post by the light works on May 12, 2020 14:34:27 GMT
I think I mentioned that I, some time back, tried sound canceling headphones to abate the volume in my bedroom, and found the headphones to be more of an irritant than the noise. so it is good that they are wearable for you.
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Post by GTCGreg on May 12, 2020 14:39:11 GMT
Glad the E7’s helped. As I said previously, I am not promoting the Cowin’s over other brands, they’re just the only ones I’ve had any personal experience with. The Sony‘s or Bose may do a better job.
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Post by GTCGreg on May 12, 2020 19:24:13 GMT
I talked to my son and had him try the knock test with his Sony NC headphones. He said that when he knocks on a table top with his knuckles and turns on the Sony's, the sound of him knocking almost completely goes away. Not just the low frequency component, but all of it. He use to own Cowin's and he said there is no comparison to the Sony. He said the Sony's are much, much better at eliminating noise. He paid around $300 for the Sony's and I paid $60 for my Cowin's. So there's that.
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Post by rmc on May 12, 2020 19:51:08 GMT
I talked to my son and had him try the knock test with his Sony NC headphones. He said that when he knocks on a table top with his knuckles and turns on the Sony's, the sound of him knocking almost completely goes away. Not just the low frequency component, but all of it. He use to own Cowin's and he said there is no comparison to the Sony. He said the Sony's are much, much better at eliminating noise. He paid around $300 for the Sony's and I paid $60 for my Cowin's. So there's that. What's the model he's got? If I find earplugs aren't any better than the outer ear silicon plugs, I may step one more step forward with better headphones.
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Post by GTCGreg on May 12, 2020 20:01:50 GMT
I talked to my son and had him try the knock test with his Sony NC headphones. He said that when he knocks on a table top with his knuckles and turns on the Sony's, the sound of him knocking almost completely goes away. Not just the low frequency component, but all of it. He use to own Cowin's and he said there is no comparison to the Sony. He said the Sony's are much, much better at eliminating noise. He paid around $300 for the Sony's and I paid $60 for my Cowin's. So there's that. What's the model he's got? If I find earplugs aren't any better than the outer ear silicon plugs, I may step one more step forward with better headphones. The ones he has are model WH-1000XM2. He's had them for a couple of years now and said Sony has replaced them with the XM3. He also said Sony is about to release the XM4's in the next month or so. Amazon has a pretty good return policy if you buy them and don't like them.
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