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Post by rmc on May 12, 2020 20:13:03 GMT
What's the model he's got? If I find earplugs aren't any better than the outer ear silicon plugs, I may step one more step forward with better headphones. The ones he has are model WH-1000XM2. He's had them for a couple of years now and said Sony has replaced them with the XM3. He also said Sony is about to release the XM4's in the next month or so. When they upgrade like that to "new and improved" models, I never know if I should bite. It was the same with the E7. They now have an E7 Pro, but I simply tried to best replicate what you currently have. I wonder if it's the same with purchasing the Sony: just stick with what should work well enough - your son's type?
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Post by GTCGreg on May 12, 2020 20:18:37 GMT
The ones he has are model WH-1000XM2. He's had them for a couple of years now and said Sony has replaced them with the XM3. He also said Sony is about to release the XM4's in the next month or so. When they upgrade like that to "new and improved" models, I never know if I should bite. It was the same with the E7. They now have an E7 Pro, but I simply tried to best replicate what you currently have. I wonder if it's the same with purchasing the Sony: just stick with what should work well enough - your son's type? Since the MX2 are older models, you may be able to find them a little cheaper someplace. Also keep in mind that Amazon is pretty good with returning things you don't like.
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Post by rmc on May 12, 2020 22:24:06 GMT
When they upgrade like that to "new and improved" models, I never know if I should bite. It was the same with the E7. They now have an E7 Pro, but I simply tried to best replicate what you currently have. I wonder if it's the same with purchasing the Sony: just stick with what should work well enough - your son's type? Since the MX2 are older models, you may be able to find them a little cheaper someplace. Also keep in mind that Amazon is pretty good with returning things you don't like. I believe I just broke one of my own rules, but it may have saved some money since I'm still experimenting. By the way, on the E7, I bought refurbished and it was only $50, free shipping and it arrived in three days. What I've done with regard to a Sony headphone was read up on it a bit and decided the Sony WH H900N was a marginal version of the one your son has, but remarks place it very, very comparable for the noise canceling aspects. I found a refurbished WH H900N for $60, and it'll be here in a week... just for testing purposes.
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Post by GTCGreg on May 12, 2020 23:14:18 GMT
Sounds like a plan. Price looks good. Let us know how it works out.
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Post by rmc on May 19, 2020 21:42:49 GMT
Sounds like a plan. Price looks good. Let us know how it works out. Headphones arrived. Literature appears to warn that NC will not cancel all noises. Partly because it is geared toward low frequency, mainly, and it looks like they are saying that they don't want to be responsible for it being so quiet that the user runs the risk of being hit by an otherwise noisy car. Did they factor in an older electric car quietly rolling along? Anyway, at this point, I cannot see holding out much hope that any of these noise cancelling headphones will actually cancel enough noise for it to be worth burying any more. The headphones have another 5 hours to be charged. I'll do a knock, knock test then, like your son did. Hopefully I'll get the impression that they cancel as much knocking sound as your son apparently said.
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Post by GTCGreg on May 19, 2020 22:13:00 GMT
Sounds like a plan. Price looks good. Let us know how it works out. Headphones arrived. Literature appears to warn that NC will not cancel all noises. Partly because it is geared toward low frequency, mainly, and it looks like they are saying that they don't want to be responsible for it being so quiet that the user runs the risk of being hit by an otherwise noisy car. Did they factor in an older electric car quietly rolling along? Anyway, at this point, I cannot see holding out much hope that any of these noise cancelling headphones will actually cancel enough noise for it to be worth burying any more. The headphones have another 5 hours to be charged. I'll do a knock, knock test then, like your son did. Hopefully I'll get the impression that they cancel as much knocking sound as your son apparently said. My son was here over the weekend and brought his Sony headphones for me to test. I did an A/B test with my Corwin's. On the knock test, they did extraordinarily better. I'd say everything below 300Hz was GONE. Everything above 300 was greatly attenuated. Just wearing them was a little annoying in that so much sound was removed that it almost felt like my head was in a vacuum. After listening to some music in them, I don't know if I'll ever be satisfied with the Corwin's again. I have a feeling that test is going to cost me a lot of money.
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Post by rmc on May 19, 2020 23:40:45 GMT
Headphones arrived. Literature appears to warn that NC will not cancel all noises. Partly because it is geared toward low frequency, mainly, and it looks like they are saying that they don't want to be responsible for it being so quiet that the user runs the risk of being hit by an otherwise noisy car. Did they factor in an older electric car quietly rolling along? Anyway, at this point, I cannot see holding out much hope that any of these noise cancelling headphones will actually cancel enough noise for it to be worth burying any more. The headphones have another 5 hours to be charged. I'll do a knock, knock test then, like your son did. Hopefully I'll get the impression that they cancel as much knocking sound as your son apparently said. My son was here over the weekend and brought his Sony headphones for me to test. I did an A/B test with my Corwin's. On the knock test, they did extraordinarily better. I'd say everything below 300Hz was GONE. Everything above 300 was greatly attenuated. Just wearing them was a little annoying in that so much sound was removed that it almost felt like my head was in a vacuum. After listening to some music in them, I don't know if I'll ever be satisfied with the Corwin's again. I have a feeling that test is going to cost me a lot of money. Well, they charged unexpectedly early. Did some knock tests and other tests in all of it's available settings. These are maybe the same as E7. I'm done chasing after the "noise canceling" dream.
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Post by rmc on May 20, 2020 0:05:00 GMT
And here's an even worse problem.
If you're only turning them on without using them to listen to music, they "conveniently" power down by themselves.
Seems no way to override that
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Post by rmc on May 20, 2020 0:36:26 GMT
Cell phone connected to headphones via bluetooth fixes the power down problem... so far.
Will try the headphones, but all tests so far say they aren't what's needed are are not helpful.
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Post by the light works on May 20, 2020 0:37:54 GMT
And here's an even worse problem. If you're only turning them on without using them to listen to music, they "conveniently" power down by themselves. Seems no way to override that I wonder if setting up a loop of low volunme white noise might be effective.
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Post by the light works on May 20, 2020 0:47:16 GMT
Cell phone connected to headphones via bluetooth fixes the power down problem... so far. Will try the headphones, but all tests so far say they aren't what's needed are are not helpful. it occurs to me you might want to silence the ringer if you do that.
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Post by GTCGreg on May 20, 2020 1:10:21 GMT
Don't know how the phones you got compare to my son's WH-1000XM2, but after playing around with his, I think the only way you are going to get better noise rejection than they provide is to have your ears removed. They really are that good.
If the new phones you just got are working about the same as the E7's, then they are not like the XM2's.
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Post by rmc on May 20, 2020 9:46:14 GMT
Don't know how the phones you got compare to my son's WH-1000XM2, but after playing around with his, I think the only way you are going to get better noise rejection than they provide is to have your ears removed. They really are that good. If the new phones you just got are working about the same as the E7's, then they are not like the XM2's. Sony WH-H900N (h.ear on 2) are supposed to use the same NC circuits as XM2's, but are lacking other, music-oriented high quality features. Total sound elimination doesn't appear to be a sensible way to go from a liability standpoint, it's starting to appear. So, either that's not true, or I got a bad refurbished model, or I am simply after something that marketed technology cannot provide as yet. Given the nature of trying to eliminate thumping sounds, rather than mechanical hums, I'm very willing to start accepting the later rather than the former two. Edit. Although, I found a page that seems to identify WH-H910N as the one using similar NC circuits, and not WH-H900N. See, this is the thing. Without being in the know on these products, how is one able to make a proper purchase? helpguide.sony.net/mdr/hpc/v1/en/contents/TP0001548861.html
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Post by rmc on May 23, 2020 12:22:30 GMT
Okay. The verdict is in.:
With regard to noise cancelling technology I'll say this: it is very impressive indeed. But, it is not sound elimination. And, it really cannot be.
This holds true for things like earplugs too. Stuff them into your ear and sound becomes quite faint and muffled. But, if you snap your fingers at arms length, you can probably still make out some sound.
For most of us, this is all that's necessary. Take the edge off of the more disruptive sounds and a person can generally sleep.
But, apparently, for someone wired with insomnia due to some sort of chemical abuse, even the innocent snap of a twig can be a problem.
So, I think it was GTCgreg that said something to the effect about incredibly far distances being the best defense in these situations.
I think that's fair.
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Post by GTCGreg on May 23, 2020 13:29:44 GMT
Well, sound doesn’t travel through a vacuum. But that solution may cause some respiratory issues.
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Post by the light works on May 23, 2020 13:53:38 GMT
Okay. The verdict is in.: With regard to noise cancelling technology I'll say this: it is very impressive indeed. But, it is not sound elimination. And, it really cannot be. This holds true for things like earplugs too. Stuff them into your ear and sound becomes quite faint and muffled. But, if you snap your fingers at arms length, you can probably still make out some sound. For most of us, this is all that's necessary. Take the edge off of the more disruptive sounds and a person can generally sleep. But, apparently, for someone wired with insomnia due to some sort of chemical abuse, even the innocent snap of a twig can be a problem. So, I think it was GTCgreg that said something to the effect about incredibly far distances being the best defense in these situations. I think that's fair. as Mr Miyagi said, the best way to not get hit is to not be there.
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Post by the light works on May 23, 2020 13:54:36 GMT
Well, sound doesn’t travel through a vacuum. But that solution may cause some respiratory issues. that can't be true. every vacuum I have ever used has made a horrendous amount of sound.
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Post by GTCGreg on May 23, 2020 14:06:10 GMT
Well, sound doesn’t travel through a vacuum. But that solution may cause some respiratory issues. that can't be true. every vacuum I have ever used has made a horrendous amount of sound. Well yeah, on the outside. On the inside it’s completely quiet.
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Post by rmc on Jun 3, 2020 22:54:16 GMT
Many, many thanks, all!!
Just found out the upstairs noise machine is moving!! Yay!
Someone else may be worse? Meh, I'll take my chances.
Looks like my defenses were too much after all!!
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Post by GTCGreg on Jun 3, 2020 23:27:33 GMT
Many, many thanks, all!! Just found out the upstairs noise machine is moving!! Yay! Someone else may be worse? Meh, I'll take my chances. Looks like my defenses were too much after all!! I wouldn't put the sleep chamber on Craig's List yet. You may end up with a family with 4 small kids running on your ceiling. Let's hope not.
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