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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 21, 2019 1:27:29 GMT
another 2 hours this morning. And I hear you guys weather isn't over yet. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 21, 2019 1:52:36 GMT
another 2 hours this morning. And I hear you guys weather isn't over yet. hopefully tomorrow morning will settle down. we're delivering toys and food boxes tomorrow |
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Post by ironhold on Dec 21, 2019 2:16:01 GMT
Saw it today.
IMHO, the fact that it was a lunchtime screening and yet I had people in front of and behind me snoring does more to condemn the film than anything I can put in a family newspaper.
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 21, 2019 2:29:53 GMT
And I hear you guys weather isn't over yet. hopefully tomorrow morning will settle down. we're delivering toys and food boxes tomorrow Well, if the weather doesn’t cooperate, maybe you need to borrow someone’s sleigh and flying reindeer. Seriously, I hope things go well for you. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 21, 2019 5:28:09 GMT
hopefully tomorrow morning will settle down. we're delivering toys and food boxes tomorrow Well, if the weather doesn’t cooperate, maybe you need to borrow someone’s sleigh and flying reindeer. Seriously, I hope things go well for you. we need raindeer. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 21, 2019 5:29:14 GMT
Saw it today. IMHO, the fact that it was a lunchtime screening and yet I had people in front of and behind me snoring does more to condemn the film than anything I can put in a family newspaper. so? I had a carpenter snoring beside me at lunchtime today. |
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Post by ironhold on Dec 21, 2019 5:35:35 GMT
Saw it today. IMHO, the fact that it was a lunchtime screening and yet I had people in front of and behind me snoring does more to condemn the film than anything I can put in a family newspaper. so? I had a carpenter snoring beside me at lunchtime today. It's a sign of how completely people were checking out. Folks all around me were nodding off during what should have been the most gripping film of the year. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Dec 23, 2019 15:14:24 GMT
The opening weekend figures for EP IX are in, with the film grossing $175 million. This is down from TLJ which opened at $220 million.
This is not bad, but well below both the estimates from only two weeks back and the hopes Disney would have had. Based on this, and with a (rough) estimate of a 50% drop off from week to week on average its domestic gross may be about 60% of that of TLJ; Which if this translates into over all gross would mean that the film may struggle to break even. Heck, it may struggle to break a Billion.
At least, however, its not the bomb CAT's has been; a $6.5 million box office on a $100 million budget AND now Universal is releasing a 'patched' version with better effects. (Read, actually finished effects).
Ouch.
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Post by GTCGreg on Dec 23, 2019 15:49:43 GMT
The opening weekend figures for EP IX are in, with the film grossing $175 million. This is down from TLJ which opened at $220 million. This is not bad, but well below both the estimates from only two weeks back and the hopes Disney would have had. Based on this, and with a (rough) estimate of a 50% drop off from week to week on average its domestic gross may be about 60% of that of TLJ; Which if this translates into over all gross would mean that the film may struggle to break even. Heck, it may struggle to break a Billion. At least, however, its not the bomb CAT's has been; a $6.5 million box office on a $100 million budget AND now Universal is releasing a 'patched' version with better effects. (Read, actually finished effects). Ouch. Still not bad for a franchise that probably should have been retired 10 years ago. On another note for those that care, Netflix’s Lost in Space is back this Christmas. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 24, 2019 2:23:31 GMT
The opening weekend figures for EP IX are in, with the film grossing $175 million. This is down from TLJ which opened at $220 million. This is not bad, but well below both the estimates from only two weeks back and the hopes Disney would have had. Based on this, and with a (rough) estimate of a 50% drop off from week to week on average its domestic gross may be about 60% of that of TLJ; Which if this translates into over all gross would mean that the film may struggle to break even. Heck, it may struggle to break a Billion. At least, however, its not the bomb CAT's has been; a $6.5 million box office on a $100 million budget AND now Universal is releasing a 'patched' version with better effects. (Read, actually finished effects). Ouch. I've heard cats is a train wreck. when I saw the roster I knew it was going to be either good or bad, but not mediocre. and I'm still trying to get time to see Star Wars. |
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Post by ironhold on Dec 24, 2019 4:51:24 GMT
Rise of Skywalker did so poorly in China that Kneon is questioning if US and other international ticket sales will be enough for the film to even break even.
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Post by Cybermortis on Dec 24, 2019 6:03:25 GMT
Rise of Skywalker did so poorly in China that Kneon is questioning if US and other international ticket sales will be enough for the film to even break even. As I've said my estimate is that the breakeven point would be roughly $1.2 Billion global gross. However that was based on assuming the same domestic/overseas split as Solo (55/45) and the current split shows a 45/55 split more or less. This is important since the takings from the domestic box office are higher than for overseas. (Typically 50/25% respectively. Although with Solo, and presumably all the SW films since Awakens, that was 60/30). My rough estimate would be that EP IX will need to clear around $1.3 Billion to breakeven, depending on exactly how much they really spent on the production and marketing. If the total costs are in the $500 million range then it is likely to lose as much money as Solo if not more based on the opening box office. However, with my somewhat less pessimistic estimate it is not impossible for them to at least cover their production costs. This would, however, require a surge in takings and multiple viewings over the next few weeks. Frankly I don't see that happening, since even those who like the film don't seem to be talking about it in a 'I must see this again' way. Some people are claiming that Disney is in full panic mode. Which would be understandable given that many of the 'critics' who have been supporting them up to now are, at best, showing somewhat lukewarm reactions to it. As I noted media outlets were only going to support Disney (or at least Lucassfilm) for as long as they felt in was in their best interests to do so. With many actually not liking what they were seeing and hearing but playing ball because Disney was viewed as the big shark in the waters. But as soon as the big bad shark was viewed as being toothless they would start taking nibbles at it. This shift is probably more telling than the box office, although they are connected, since Disney is and has in recent years been all about image and controlling information. As soon as they fail in the latter the former will become rather tarnished and...well I suspect that while Disney has had a rather bad year things are not going to improve in 2020. |
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Post by ironhold on Dec 24, 2019 6:16:35 GMT
Most of the people I've spoken with over the weekend have been of the opinion that the trilogy might have been better if Finn was the lead instead of Rey, as they felt that "Imperial Storm Trooper turned Jedi Knight" would have bean a far stronger character arc.
So yeah; I imagine that barring Mandalorian and perhaps a new cartoon or comic book, the franchise is effectively going to go comatose as the fans drift off into their own fan creations.
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Post by the light works on Dec 24, 2019 15:01:31 GMT
rotten tomatoes has it at 86%.
the negative reviews seem to be of a "the franchise hasn't turned into fine cinema" complaint.
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Post by Cybermortis on Dec 24, 2019 16:13:59 GMT
rotten tomatoes has it at 86%. the negative reviews seem to be of a "the franchise hasn't turned into fine cinema" complaint. Yes, its been sitting at 86% for several days having not moved even with thousands of new reviews. There are good reasons for treating Rotten Tomatoes as a joke overall, or at the very least being extremely wary of it. I'll post a video which outlines some of the reasons why; |
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Post by the light works on Dec 24, 2019 17:45:05 GMT
rotten tomatoes has it at 86%. the negative reviews seem to be of a "the franchise hasn't turned into fine cinema" complaint. Yes, its been sitting at 86% for several days having not moved even with thousands of new reviews. There are good reasons for treating Rotten Tomatoes as a joke overall, or at the very least being extremely wary of it. I'll post a video which outlines some of the reasons why; you mean like the scandal about when they started requiring people to have watched the movie before posting a review? I'll put it in plain terms: I treat all the naysayers you are posting from youtube like as much of a joke as I treat anyone else. in fact, sometimes a little bit more so. it takes more than being internet famous to make me take someone's ranting seriously. |
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Post by mrfatso on Dec 24, 2019 22:55:14 GMT
I just watched it yesterday as a birthday treat, I have mixed feelings about it.
There were some great set pieces, but the story did not quite hang together properly, a little too much hopping from one planet to another.
The story of who Rey is was a bold choice but it fits the nature of an epic space opera, that’s what Star Wars is at the end of the day.
Some nice little touches like Billy Dee Williams appearing, a couple more cameos from people and things.
J.J. Abraham’s appears to have rolled back on some of the previous directors choices, Luke’s ghost is more like we would have wanted him to be, Rose is relegated to a support character for better or for worse.
Carries Fishers death and that of her character are handled well.
I’d give it an 7-8/10 although perhaps the doubles of Monkeys Shoulder and free Quality Street chocolates the cinema were giving out may have mellowed me a bit.
But it is nowhere near a disaster.
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Post by ironhold on Dec 25, 2019 0:01:33 GMT
I just watched it yesterday as a birthday treat, I have mixed feelings about it. There were some great set pieces, but the story did not quite hang together properly, a little too much hopping from one planet to another. The story of who Rey is was a bold choice but it fits the nature of an epic space opera, that’s what Star Wars is at the end of the day. Some nice little touches like Billy Dee Williams appearing, a couple more cameos from people and things. J.J. Abraham’s appears to have rolled back on some of the previous directors choices, Luke’s ghost is more like we would have wanted him to be, Rose is relegated to a support character for better or for worse. Carries Fishers death and that of her character are handled well. I’d give it an 7-8/10 although perhaps the doubles of Monkeys Shoulder and free Quality Street chocolates the cinema were giving out may have mellowed me a bit. But it is nowhere near a disaster. IMHO, this film could have been a trilogy arc in and of itself. Palpatine survived and was hiding in plain sight among the remains of the Empire, so when he re-emerged he caught the New Republic with its pants down. Cue the heroes of the past hustling to find and train up today's heroes so that they can help lead the charge against this re-emerging threat. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 25, 2019 3:44:39 GMT
I just watched it yesterday as a birthday treat, I have mixed feelings about it. There were some great set pieces, but the story did not quite hang together properly, a little too much hopping from one planet to another. The story of who Rey is was a bold choice but it fits the nature of an epic space opera, that’s what Star Wars is at the end of the day. Some nice little touches like Billy Dee Williams appearing, a couple more cameos from people and things. J.J. Abraham’s appears to have rolled back on some of the previous directors choices, Luke’s ghost is more like we would have wanted him to be, Rose is relegated to a support character for better or for worse. Carries Fishers death and that of her character are handled well. I’d give it an 7-8/10 although perhaps the doubles of Monkeys Shoulder and free Quality Street chocolates the cinema were giving out may have mellowed me a bit. But it is nowhere near a disaster. I agree. there are some artistic decisions I would have made differently, if I was writing it, but the one biggest thing I would change is NOT letting a different guy write chapter two than wrote 1 and 3. overall; Doomcock can suck it. |
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Post by mrfatso on Dec 25, 2019 10:16:25 GMT
I just watched it yesterday as a birthday treat, I have mixed feelings about it. There were some great set pieces, but the story did not quite hang together properly, a little too much hopping from one planet to another. The story of who Rey is was a bold choice but it fits the nature of an epic space opera, that’s what Star Wars is at the end of the day. Some nice little touches like Billy Dee Williams appearing, a couple more cameos from people and things. J.J. Abraham’s appears to have rolled back on some of the previous directors choices, Luke’s ghost is more like we would have wanted him to be, Rose is relegated to a support character for better or for worse. Carries Fishers death and that of her character are handled well. I’d give it an 7-8/10 although perhaps the doubles of Monkeys Shoulder and free Quality Street chocolates the cinema were giving out may have mellowed me a bit. But it is nowhere near a disaster. I agree. there are some artistic decisions I would have made differently, if I was writing it, but the one biggest thing I would change is NOT letting a different guy write chapter two than wrote 1 and 3. overall; Doomcock can suck it. I stopped watching those links a long time ago. A little too much “There is a girl in it it must be bad.” |
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